Official NCAAM and NCAAW Proposed Rule Changes for 2013-14 Season

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Question on the 10 second count being added in NCAAW...do the NCAAM use the shot clock to determine the 10 second count as this article says the NCAAW will? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. Maybe I am wrong on this, but on a throw-in in the back court, the clock and 30 sec clock start on a defensive tip, but the count doesn't start until A has control, correct? So why would they use the shot clock to determine the 10 sec count?

From what I'm being told by my friendly neighborhood NCAA interpreter, the women's rule - if approved - will be similar to the NBA: shot clock determines the violation *AND* no new 10-second count if the team in control takes a timeout or the defense commits a violation.

For me, this rule will become a real headache if it's adopted for my GV games in NYS. Since we usually have students at the table I'm generally thrilled when I can find a shot-clock operator who resets the thing when he/she is supposed to more than 75% of the time.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

From what I'm being told by my friendly neighborhood NCAA interpreter, the women's rule - if approved - will be similar to the NBA: shot clock determines the violation *AND* no new 10-second count if the team in control takes a timeout or the defense commits a violation.
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So Player Control will not be required before starting your 10-second backcourt count if play begins with a throw-in?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So Player Control will not be required before starting your 10-second backcourt count if play begins with a throw-in?

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

I disagree with that last statment totally. But then again old-timers use the shot clock as the guage which is wrong.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

Wow.

And if the defense touches the ball first? Shot clock doesn't start??? Or it does and the offense's 10 second Count started when the other team tipped the ball???

[Nevadaref]

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
All that they need do is word it such that following a team initially being awarded a throw-in the team with the ball must advance it to the frontcourt prior to 10 seconds coming off the shot clock.
For a ball which gets knocked into the backcourt during a possession, they could put in a rule requiring returning it to the frontcourt within ten seconds or they could just permit the team to use the rest of the shot clock.
It doesn't matter how they do it as long as everyone is clear on what the rule is.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
All that they need do is word it such that following a team initially being awarded a throw-in the team with the ball must advance it to the frontcourt prior to 10 seconds coming off the shot clock.
For a ball which gets knocked into the backcourt during a possession, they could put in a rule requiring returning it to the frontcourt within ten seconds or they could just permit the team to use the rest of the shot clock.
It doesn't matter how they do it as long as everyone is clear on what the rule is.

Wow.

Genius. I never thought that "they" could write it however they wished! If only I was as smart as you!

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow.

Genius. I never thought that "they" could write it however they wished! If only I was as smart as you!

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

Or rewarding the defense for making the tip...the offense is in control of where the ball will go from the moment they start the throw-in, so I don't see it as penalizing them.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

According to my FNI, the shot clock would run and the 10-second count would be in effect. Reason: TC exists during a throw-in.

My FNI also advises we shouldn't go crazy trying to dissect the proposals until June 18 when PROP makes its decision on them. But given who we are...

Again, this is the NCAAW interpretation ONLY.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
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Who says it was a big deal? I guess questions are only valid if they come from the land of wild horse round-ups?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And if the defense touches the ball first? Shot clock doesn't start??? Or it does and the offense's 10 second Count started when the other team tipped the ball???

I'll get clarification on that.

[Texas Aggie]

It would have been easier had they just eliminated the player control foul, which is what most want to do anyway.

[jeschmit]

From what I found out from the classroom session with Debbie Williamson this past weekend:

Administering official will bring in subs. They will have the whistle, and hold their hand in the air until there are 5 vs 5 on the floor. (We did this at camp this past weekend, and, let me tell ya, I felt like a doofus holding my hand in the air for myself to bring in subs.)

Rule 4 will go from about 70 articles to about 35-40. They are moving things around to make them easier to find. Now you have to go to 3-4 different rules to read about the free throw, whereas in the new rules books all you'll have to do is go to Rule 8 only.

Rule 11 will be Monitor articles.

There will be two separate books for the men's and women's rules. Case books will be separate as well.

There will be a new 10 second count in the backcourt if the ball becomes dead and the offense still has the ball. So you will then go off of what the shot clock says when the ball is put back in play. (Clock awareness is going to be crucial here.)

Under 30 seconds (when the shot clock is off), there will be a visible 10 second backcourt count by the Trail official.

I think that was the main stuff besides what the OP has in their post.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

This is correct for NCAAW - it was a big topic in a camp I was at last weekend.

[brainbrian]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Does that mean now there will be a difference in when the shot clock should start after a made basket between the men's and women's game?