Official NCAAM and NCAAW Proposed Rule Changes for 2013-14 Season

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So Player Control will not be required before starting your 10-second backcourt count if play begins with a throw-in?

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

I disagree with that last statment totally. But then again old-timers use the shot clock as the guage which is wrong.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my friendly neighborhood interpreter, that's correct.

NCAAW = 10-second count begins when the ball is TOUCHED by Team A in its backcourt.

NCAAM = 10-second count begins when the ball is CONTROLLED by an inbounds player from Team A in their backcourt.

Given that TC exists on a throw-in, the way the women are handling it makes sense.

Wow.

And if the defense touches the ball first? Shot clock doesn't start??? Or it does and the offense's 10 second Count started when the other team tipped the ball???

[Nevadaref]

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
All that they need do is word it such that following a team initially being awarded a throw-in the team with the ball must advance it to the frontcourt prior to 10 seconds coming off the shot clock.
For a ball which gets knocked into the backcourt during a possession, they could put in a rule requiring returning it to the frontcourt within ten seconds or they could just permit the team to use the rest of the shot clock.
It doesn't matter how they do it as long as everyone is clear on what the rule is.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
All that they need do is word it such that following a team initially being awarded a throw-in the team with the ball must advance it to the frontcourt prior to 10 seconds coming off the shot clock.
For a ball which gets knocked into the backcourt during a possession, they could put in a rule requiring returning it to the frontcourt within ten seconds or they could just permit the team to use the rest of the shot clock.
It doesn't matter how they do it as long as everyone is clear on what the rule is.

Wow.

Genius. I never thought that "they" could write it however they wished! If only I was as smart as you!

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow.

Genius. I never thought that "they" could write it however they wished! If only I was as smart as you!

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

Or rewarding the defense for making the tip...the offense is in control of where the ball will go from the moment they start the throw-in, so I don't see it as penalizing them.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by APG

Or rewarding the defense for making the tip...the offense is in control of where the ball will go from the moment they start the throw-in, so I don't see it as penalizing them.

OK...so A has the ball in their frontcourt, and A3 attempts a pass to A4 which is tipped by B4 into A's backcourt. Using your logic, we would start the 10 second count as soon as the tipped ball gets into the backcourt because the defense made a good play, and not wait until A recovers the ball to start the 10 second count???

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK...so A has the ball in their frontcourt, and A3 attempts a pass to A4 which is tipped by B4 into A's backcourt. Using your logic, we would start the 10 second count as soon as the tipped ball gets into the backcourt because the defense made a good play, and not wait until A recovers the ball to start the 10 second count???

That's the rule already. PC/TC have been established so as soon the ball gains BC status you begin your count.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

OK...so A has the ball in their frontcourt, and A3 attempts a pass to A4 which is tipped by B4 into A's backcourt. Using your logic, we would start the 10 second count as soon as the tipped ball gets into the backcourt because the defense made a good play, and not wait until A recovers the ball to start the 10 second count???

Wow, seems that you weren't kidding with the smart comment.

I guess this is Karma.

2008-09 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 8: A1 is dribbling in his/her frontcourt when B1 deflects the ball into A's backcourt. The ball is bouncing toward the end line in A's backcourt while A1 and B1 give chase. B1 and A1 each contact the ball, but neither gains control. Finally, after numerous attempts by each player, A1 gains possession deep in A's backcourt. When does the 10-second count begin anew for Team A? RULING: The count starts as soon as the ball goes into the backcourt since team control has not ended. (4-12-3; 9-8)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Anyway...jetmetfan, please let me know what you find out. And thanks for checking in the first place. It just seems that we would be penalizing a team (losing some of their 10) for the defense tipping the ball away. We really shouldn't start the 10 until the team has control inbounds - just like on a rebound, or a ball tipped into backcourt by the defense, etc.

According to my FNI, the shot clock would run and the 10-second count would be in effect. Reason: TC exists during a throw-in.

My FNI also advises we shouldn't go crazy trying to dissect the proposals until June 18 when PROP makes its decision on them. But given who we are...

Again, this is the NCAAW interpretation ONLY.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my FNI, the shot clock would run and the 10-second count would be in effect. Reason: TC exists during a throw-in.

My FNI also advises we shouldn't go crazy trying to dissect the proposals until June 18 when PROP makes its decision on them. But given who we are...

Thanks!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

According to my FNI, the shot clock would run and the 10-second count would be in effect. Reason: TC exists during a throw-in.

My FNI also advises we shouldn't go crazy trying to dissect the proposals until June 18 when PROP makes its decision on them. But given who we are...

Again, this is the NCAAW interpretation ONLY.

Again, I say if that's the way that they wish to do it, that's no big deal. Yes, it differs from the current way that NFHS and NCAAM handle this.

I don't understand why rocky felt compelled to take a shot at me for expressing my feeling on such a ruling.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Again, I say if that's the way that they wish to do it, that's no big deal. Yes, it differs from the current way that NFHS and NCAAM handle this.

I don't understand why rocky felt compelled to take a shot at me for expressing my feeling on such a ruling.

Seriously?

Ok...I was asking questions to get some clarification on the timing issue, and you come in with the "What's the big deal" comment - and I wasn't the only one who thought that was over the top. So you got a shot back at you. Was that juvenile of me? Yeah, I will own that.

Now back to your regular scheduled events...

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What's the big deal? The rule can be written however they wish.
...

Who says it was a big deal? I guess questions are only valid if they come from the land of wild horse round-ups?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And if the defense touches the ball first? Shot clock doesn't start??? Or it does and the offense's 10 second Count started when the other team tipped the ball???

I'll get clarification on that.