Heat - Bulls (video request)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

I know the play you're talking about...not a flagrant foul in the NBA.

I honestly figured it probably wasn't (although I'm not sure why), but from what I remember, it's an easy INT in fed ball.

It's actually pretty close to the intentional I called in a men's game a few weeks ago, and the fouler seemed legitimately surprised that he couldn't just "make sure he doesn't get the shot off."

[JetMetFan]

...along with the NBA, NCAA and NFHS rule citations for FF1/intentional fouls.





NBA Rule 4-3f
A flagrant foul is unnecessary and/or excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent whether the ball is dead or alive.

NCAA Rule 4-29c
A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting; and
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in. (Women) This act shall also
serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary.

NFHS Rule 4-19-3
An intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to:
a. Contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.
b. Contact away from the ball with an opponent who is clearly not involved with a play.
c. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball/player specifically designed to stop the clock or keep it from starting.
d. Excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball.
e. Contact with a thrower-in as in 9-2-10 Penalty 4.

[Raymond]

In NCAA/NFHS it's either:

1. Travelling or ...
2. An easy IF/FF1, basket good, 2 shots, Heat throw-in underneath its basket

[APG]

Just to be more specific for the NBA citation:

A flagrant foul penalty 1 is a foul that has unnecessary contact. A flagrant foul penalty two is a foul with unnecessary and excessive contact. Neither of these plays would fit that criteria.
Unlike NFHS/NCAA, if this had been called a flagrant foul (on a made basket), LeBron would have had a 2 to make 1 scenario...make the first free throw, ball side out.

The only other type of foul that could have come into play was a clear path foul, but since LeBron was in the act of shooting, clear path rules do not apply.

[Nevadaref]

It is a farce that the NBA rules don't provide a harsh sanction for this kind of foul.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Travelling

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In NCAA/NFHS it's either:

1. Travelling or ...
2. An easy IF/FF1, basket good, 2 shots, Heat throw-in underneath its basket

Certain people would call the travel. I would consider him being fouled before that happen.

Peace