You Make The Call (Blocked Shot and Contact)

[Brad]

Don't think I have a foul on the contact, but I probably whack him for the staredown afterwards.

Also, someone please slap whoever is doing these videos... 41 seconds of video, of which 10 seconds is a splash screen intro and 10 seconds is a splash screen outro. Completely unnecessary — just post the 20 seconds of relevant video and put the text / question under the video in the description section on YouTube!!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Brad

Don't think I have a foul on the contact, but I probably whack him for the staredown afterwards.

Funny you mention the staredown, I have to admit...and I might be crazy...

...it almost looks like the defensive player tries to kick or at least make an aggressive downward motion with his foot at the shooter as they're returning to the floor. The defender is looking down at the shooter and it almost looks like he's trying to throw in a "lil extra bidniss" in after the block. The staredown kind of confirms an attempt to intimidate.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Brad

Don't think I have a foul on the contact, but I probably whack him for the staredown afterwards.

Also, someone please slap whoever is doing these videos... 41 seconds of video, of which 10 seconds is a splash screen intro and 10 seconds is a splash screen outro. Completely unnecessary — just post the 20 seconds of relevant video and put the text / question under the video in the description section on YouTube!!

I have found these videos (from this conference) to be fantastic. Suspect the splashscreen is consistent thoughout their videos, whether the play is a 10 second clip or a full 90 minute game.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by Brad

Don't think I have a foul on the contact, but I probably whack him for the staredown afterwards.

Also, someone please slap whoever is doing these videos... 41 seconds of video, of which 10 seconds is a splash screen intro and 10 seconds is a splash screen outro. Completely unnecessary — just post the 20 seconds of relevant video and put the text / question under the video in the description section on YouTube!!

Hey Brad,

This is Ryan, I'm the person who you so requested be slapped. I would like to apologize for wasting your time while you wait to watch the videos that I have put together for you and our officiating community. Most of these videos are not watched on the youtube page and are embedded in forums like these. Without the "time wasting" splash pages most would miss the question or the point to be made by the videos.
I hope you can forgive me. I just need to make sure all of our videos are understood and receive proper recognition for the many hours of hard work by our officials who record the games and for my many hours of hard work putting these together for the betterment of all.
I'm excited I found this site and look forward to being a positive contributing member of this forum.

Ryan

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Hey Brad,

This is Ryan, I'm the person who you so requested be slapped. I would like to apologize for wasting your time while you wait to watch the videos that I have put together for you and our officiating community. Most of these videos are not watched on the youtube page and are embedded in forums like these. Without the "time wasting" splash pages most would miss the question or the point to be made by the videos.
I hope you can forgive me. I just need to make sure all of our videos are understood and receive proper recognition for the many hours of hard work by our officials who record the games and for my many hours of hard work putting these together for the betterment of all.
I'm excited I found this site and look forward to being a positive contributing member of this forum.

Ryan

Ryan, welcome to the forum. My suggestion wouldn't be to remove the splash pages; but maybe to make them shorter (5 seconds as opposed to 10, for example.)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Hey Brad,

This is Ryan, I'm the person who you so requested be slapped. I would like to apologize for wasting your time while you wait to watch the videos that I have put together for you and our officiating community. Most of these videos are not watched on the youtube page and are embedded in forums like these. Without the "time wasting" splash pages most would miss the question or the point to be made by the videos.
I hope you can forgive me. I just need to make sure all of our videos are understood and receive proper recognition for the many hours of hard work by our officials who record the games and for my many hours of hard work putting these together for the betterment of all.
I'm excited I found this site and look forward to being a positive contributing member of this forum.

Ryan

Welcome to the forum. While colorful, I believe what Brad was referring to is that you could shorten these considerably and still get the information across that you wish to by making use of the Description field on YouTube itself.

If that doesn't work the way you want it to, I'm sure the 10 seconds could be shortened somewhat and still accomplish what you wish to accomplish.

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Welcome to the forum. While colorful, I believe what Brad was referring to is that you could shorten these considerably and still get the information across that you wish to by making use of the Description field on YouTube itself.

If that doesn't work the way you want it to, I'm sure the 10 seconds could be shortened somewhat and still accomplish what you wish to accomplish.

Hey guys,

I appreciate the feedback minus the physical abuse I would have gotten from Brad. All good ideas. I chose 10 seconds because people read at different speeds and I wanted to give everyone, including us speed readers, the opportunity to digest the words. Fortunately with youtube we can scroll the video forwards and backwards allowing us to skip over the 10 seconds, technology is awesome!
I will however take your advice and try 5 second splash pages, just for my new friends here at officiating.com!

Ryan

[rockyroad]

Ryan,

So what was the verdict from your association on this play? Should a foul be called or not?

[dvboa]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Ryan,

So what was the verdict from your association on this play? Should a foul be called or not?

Actually, I was the calling or non-calling official on this play. Looking back on it, I felt that I could have called a non-shooting foul for the contact following the block. The coach of the player that got hit was upset there was a no-call but we had been allowing contact like this throughout the game on both sides of the floor.
I'm positive I would have gotten boos from the home fans for a call here but the video would back me up.
Someone on the Facebook group had asked "would you foul out their best player on a play like this?" My answer would be, probably not. Would l call this type of foul early in a game? Yes I think I would.
To some, a foul is a foul is a foul. I wish officiating were that easy. I try to take into account all the variables (i.e. time, score, player foul count...) when determining what to call and when.
So there is no easy answer to this play. So the best answer I can give to "is this a foul?" would be "it depends..."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by dvboa

I'm positive I would have gotten boos from the home fans for a call here....

so what?

Someone on the Facebook group had asked "would you foul out their best player on a play like this?" My answer would be, probably not. I try to take into account all the variables ( player foul count...) when determining what to call and when.

Really don't like this. jmo

[Rich]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Actually, I was the calling or non-calling official on this play. Looking back on it, I felt that I could have called a non-shooting foul for the contact following the block. The coach of the player that got hit was upset there was a no-call but we had been allowing contact like this throughout the game on both sides of the floor.
I'm positive I would have gotten boos from the home fans for a call here but the video would back me up.
Someone on the Facebook group had asked "would you foul out their best player on a play like this?" My answer would be, probably not. Would l call this type of foul early in a game? Yes I think I would.
To some, a foul is a foul is a foul. I wish officiating were that easy. I try to take into account all the variables (i.e. time, score, player foul count...) when determining what to call and when.
So there is no easy answer to this play. So the best answer I can give to "is this a foul?" would be "it depends..."

So a foul early in the game may not be a foul late in the game for you?

I find it hard to believe that you'd have this philosophy -- and even if you did that you'd be so open about it.

[SWMOzebra]

Welcome to the forum, Ryan!

Originally Posted by dvboa

Looking back on it, I felt that I could have called a non-shooting foul for the contact following the block.

Hindsight is always 20-20. And in this case, I think you're correct. There's too much contact after the block to not put a whistle on this play IMO. If it's out of my PCA, then I'm letting my partner decide call or no-call, but if this play is in my coverage area then I'm calling a non-shooting foul.

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by dvboa

Hey Brad,

This is Ryan, I'm the person who you so requested be slapped. I would like to apologize for wasting your time while you wait to watch the videos that I have put together for you and our officiating community. Most of these videos are not watched on the youtube page and are embedded in forums like these. Without the "time wasting" splash pages most would miss the question or the point to be made by the videos.
I hope you can forgive me. I just need to make sure all of our videos are understood and receive proper recognition for the many hours of hard work by our officials who record the games and for my many hours of hard work putting these together for the betterment of all.
I'm excited I found this site and look forward to being a positive contributing member of this forum.

Ryan

Thanks for producing these videos. I think they are very helpful as a means to see how other officials would call certain plays.

[JeffM]

In general,

If I'm the Lead, I would call a shooting foul.

If I'm the C or the T, I'm not calling anything.

However, it would depend on the other calls that we have been making.

Either way, I'm expecting half the crowd to go nuts.