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[Toren]

Since we're slow going on the posts these days.

Picture this:

Team A in the front court, gets their pass stolen by Player B1. Player A1 runs back to defend.

You are the old T, new Lead. B1 is close to the center of the court, but is starting to arc his approach to the sideline to get a better angle at the lay-up. This arcing motion takes him closer to the opposite sideline. As the new Lead, you beat the play up the floor and pinch the paint to receive the play.

The C official is hauling down the court trying to catch the play and does a good job.

It's basically a 1 on 1 play, the teammates of each player are coming up the court, but they are barely breaking the half court mark. The illegal contact takes place outside the paint by about 1 foot or maybe half a foot, opposite the Lead. Both players hit the deck as a result of the illegal contact, so it's not a no-call situation.

The Lead thinks its my call cause it's the only play on the floor and I got the best look. The C thinks it's my call cause it originated in my area and it's outside the paint and I'm taking it all the way to the hoop.

Who's call is it and why?

One small edit: let's say you forgot to pre-game the situation.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by Toren

Who's call is it and why?

C has the first crack since it's his/her primary. L should hold his/her whistle but pick up the call if C doesn't take it.

[rekent]

The way I was taught, L gets first crack at it since (if am reading it correctly) it is a play in transition and below the 3pt arc extended.

[bob jenkins]

Depends on how far down C got.

Blow the whistle, know it's a prime opportunity for a double whistle so hold the preliminary, mkae eye contact and someone take it (who hasn't just had 3 calls in a ropw; who had a similar call at the other end and wants to make the same call here, ...)

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Depends on how far down C got.

Blow the whistle, know it's a prime opportunity for a double whistle so hold the preliminary, mkae eye contact and someone take it

Agree with this.

I know this is a hypothetical for discussion, but who's primary this is isn't the most important factor here -- you want to get the foul. The lead who is focused on the play may not know whether the C is in position yet to take over their primary ... blow the whistle. If the C is in position to see the call, blow the whistle. As the lead, I would probably defer to the C on the double whistle, assuming that if the C has a whistle, then they were in position to see the play. If I'm the C and was in position to make this call, I tell my partner on a double whistle, "I got it, [name]" and report the foul.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Agree with this.

I know this is a hypothetical for discussion, but who's primary this is isn't the most important factor here -- you want to get the foul. The lead who is focused on the play may not know whether the C is in position yet to take over their primary ... blow the whistle. If the C is in position to see the call, blow the whistle. As the lead, I would probably defer to the C on the double whistle, assuming that if the C has a whistle, then they were in position to see the play. If I'm the C and was in position to make this call, I tell my partner on a double whistle, "I got it, [name]" and report the foul.

Agreed.

The most important thing is that we get the foul. If the two partners want to turn it into a pi$$ing match about whose call it should have been later, fine. But get the call on the court.

[Camron Rust]

It is not the C's primary until the C is in position for it to be his/her primary. On transition plays, the L has the lead of the play until the C/T catch up and get to their half court positions.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

C

Originally Posted by Lotto

C

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

C

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

C

What's a C?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's a C?

Billy, we know your state doesn't do 3-man. But many of the rest of us do work 3-man and have situations that involve 3 officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Many of the rest of us do work 3-man and have situations that involve 3 officials.

Go ahead. Rub salt in my wounds.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's a C?

I find it kind of ironic that a small state that has produced multiple national championships in college basketball still insists on archaic structure for officiating high school ball.

The other irony is that your IAABO Board will probably insist that it's a financial issue with the schools...while the having the wealthiest county in the US (Fairfield County) within their state borders.

[Toren]

This happened in my State Game this year. First whistle out of the gate, about 50 seconds into game time. I was the Old Trail, new Lead.

I was hauling down the court to beat the play and receive it. I beat the play down, but wasn't exactly standing still when the illegal contact occured.

I popped my whistle and hold for a second. I don't hear another whistle, I don't see my partner, so I assumed he didn't make it and I was a solo whistle. So I show "Block". I then see my partner, the C, who was blocked from my view by the offensive player and of course, he's signaling "Player Control"

My first ever BLARGE and it happened as the first whistle in my first ever State Game. Ugh. Humbling experience.

I'll try to post video of it, for those that are interested. I took a great deal away from that game in my video breakdown after the game.

You'll be happy to know that we bounced back in a big way after this embarassing moment. I can also tell you, that for a period of about 2 or 3 trips up the court and down the court, my body felt extremely hot. I had to mentally get that play out of my head and I just saying "Get the next one right".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I find it kind of ironic that a small state that has produced multiple national championships in college basketball still insists on archaic structure for officiating high school ball. The other irony is that your IAABO Board will probably insist that it's a financial issue with the schools.

It's not finances, well it's not all finances. It's the coaches. We have a very powerful state coaches association here in Connecticut. And the members of the coaches association are "best buds" with our state interscholastic sports governing body. There are about a dozen and a half very powerful coaches, the guys that win lots of state championships, that basically run the basketball end of the coaches association. These guys, and they're pretty much all guys, win by playing a very up tempo, aggressive, defensive style of basketball, in all types of schools, urban, suburban, and rural. They all believe, right, or wrong, (perception is often reality) that a third official will lead to more fouls being called, which will force them to change their successful style of coaching. The coaches aren't interested in a three person game, athletic directors, and principals (for financial reasons), are more than willing to side with their coaches, and the state interscholastic sports governing body has no problem siding with the coaches, athletic directors, and principals. Believe it, or not, nobody, on the school end, is pushing for three person games here in Connecticut, so we won't be heading in that direction for years to come, if ever.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

What's a C?

Maybe you should not be in this conversation if you do not know what one is?

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Maybe you should not be in this conversation if you do not know what one is?

I have never, ever, agreed with you more. I hate it when you guys start discussing three person games. I always feel left out.