To be (dead) or not to be (dead) that is the question.

[Nevadaref]

The rules tell you that option B is correct.
Can't understand why someone would want to go against the rules and select option A.

[HokiePaul]

Without a lengthy discussion, how do you know for sure that the foul occurred "right after" as opposed to "right before" the basket was made?

I'm probably trusting my partner and assuming that the foul occurred before the ball went through, even if the whistle was delayed slightly. If there is significant doubt, I guess I might run over real quick and say something like "ball went in; just wanted to make sure that you had the foul before the ball went through the basket", but if he goes to report the foul, I'm not arguing that it occurred after the ball went through (since I was not the calling official).

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Without a lengthy discussion, how do you know for sure that the foul occurred "right after" as opposed to "right before" the basket was made?

I'm probably trusting my partner and assuming that the foul occurred before the ball went through, even if the whistle was delayed slightly. If there is significant doubt, I guess I might run over real quick and say something like "ball went in; just wanted to make sure that you had the foul before the ball went through the basket", but if he goes to report the foul, I'm not arguing that it occurred after the ball went through (since I was not the calling official).

In this scenario my partner said that it was after the ball went through. And yes, I meant before the ball was at the disposal of the thrower. Ball passes through net, foul, ball hits the ground, whistle, ball then at disposal of the thrower.

i guess my real overall question is that my P said that the ball can't be dead after a made basket because the clock is still running. I disagreed.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

i guess my real overall question is that my P said that the ball can't be dead after a made basket because the clock is still running. I disagreed.

This is funny, you might want to introduce your partner to a rule book or ask him if he is unable to read.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

In this scenario my partner said that it was after the ball went through. And yes, I meant before the ball was at the disposal of the thrower. Ball passes through net, foul, ball hits the ground, whistle, ball then at disposal of the thrower.

i guess my real overall question is that my P said that the ball can't be dead after a made basket because the clock is still running. I disagreed.

Does he also believe that the ball can't be live when the clock is stopped?

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Does he also believe that the ball can't be live when the clock is stopped?

I wouldn't be surprised. He was also telling me that you can't have a charge when the defender is under the basket (HS rules) and that it should be a no call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I wouldn't be surprised. He was also telling me that you can't have a charge when the defender is under the basket (HS rules) and that it should be a no call.

This is why I have a very limited circle of officials with whom I discuss officiating. This is a guy I would not be having a conversation with. I would simply tell him he is wrong by rule and hope I never work more than a Rec League game with him. Guys like this can only sustain a conversation if the person they are talking to is weak on rule book knowledge themself.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is why I have a very limited circle of officials with whom I discuss officiating. This is a guy I would not be having a conversation with. I would simply tell him he is wrong by rule and hope I never work more than a Rec League game with him. Guys like this can only sustain a conversation if the person they are talking to is weak on rule book knowledge themself.

It is really frustrating though when you are trying to move up, thus try and initiate conversation to hopefully show these "Varsity, expert officials" that you know what you are doing and know how to officiate and then realize they have no idea what the H-E double hockey sticks they are talking about.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

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i guess my real overall question is that my P said that the ball can't be dead after a made basket because the clock is still running. I disagreed.

Not a matter of disagreeing. Your partner is wrong by rule.