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Now this might get back to a theme from a different thread about the minority getting the majority treatment but . . .
If coaches want to communicate with officials and understanding communications have to happen in a timely and appropriate manner, there are no really significant opportunities during the playing of the game to have a protracted conversation about rules confusion, situations, and just general inquiry. During the momentary pauses in play coaches basically get a comment or question. I get a response in and if they aren't happy they get a parting comment that ends up registered for later, gets ignored or if negative gets them a stop sign/T. Thats really it. Timeouts and halftime or post game seem like the only times to me where any sort of protracted conversation/ explanation can go on. I'm not saying coaches get to run over everyone, or chase us around the building bitching and demanding answers but if you are going to have a positive conversation and interaction that genuinely improves the situation/understanding level/ or quality of the game. When else is going to take place?
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All this changes if he's been a problem child during the game.
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I'm not threatening him with a T. Thought would never come in my mind. But I'm also immediately stopping him by walking towards him and asking him to return to his bench area. That gives him a short window with which to ask me his question.
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Looks like I'm in the minority here, but if a coach wants to use his timeout to talk to me, as long as it's in a respectful way, I'm happy to oblige. He's got assistant coaches that can take care of his team during that time. There's no need for us to create an adverserial situation where there doesn't need to be one. I'm not even really going to tell him to get back to his timeout area before I'll talk to him. I'll probably meet him somewhere in the middle once I see him approaching me, and then walk him back to the bench area as we talk. Attitude of the coach plays a big part in this, but again, if it's respectful, why not give him a little courtesy?
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I am wondering who it was (other than the officials in the OP's game) who said they would not talk with the Coach. I will certainly talk with him/her - just NOT in the middle of the freaking floor.
So all this garbage about not talking to the coach is exactly that - garbage. |
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And if you talk to the coach in the middle of the court, the other coach is going to be upset when you do not talk to them in the same manner. I just do not see the benefit.
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In large urban areas there may be such a pool of officials, and so many basketball teams/schools/clubs/ players that each just plays their part and things role on basically working well. In rural areas or communities developing or trying to grow their basketball/sport programming and quality; officials, coaches, players, parents, clubs/schools are all stakeholders. For it grow and improve stakeholders need to work together for positive growth. You can only move if everyone is rowing in at least a similar direction. If I've got coaches, clubs, etc that want to do the right things by their kids and by the sport there is almost never a bad time to have a conversation that gets everyone on the same page moving forward. If a protracted conversation helps the game or next game, if it lets a coach get clarification that can change their understanding or teaching of the game, if a young coach/player can benefit from a conversation and these don't interfere with the flow/management of the game why not? Different strokes for different folks. Round these here parts unless you a university coach you are a volunteer and as an official I'm not being paid enough for it to be just about the paycheck.
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I have been known to give a prolonged explanation post-game, but only rarely and only when approached with the appropriate demeanor.
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For many actions the prescribed recourse is a technical foul. So why shouldn't an official let the coach know that is the penalty which he is facing if he chooses to engage in such? Seems perfectly logical to me. Seems like correct communication, too. You must be an ex-coach (or perhaps even a current one). Coaches never want the penalty to be applied to them. |
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