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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 02:52pm
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Last-second shot

Two things on this one...

1. Thoughts on what the C saw/heard that would have led to the call.
2. If you're the C and your partners come over immediately, do you change it?

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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:11pm
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That's not even close. Clearly good in my opinion.
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:11pm
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Maybe he was not paying that close attention and guessed? Otherwise I do not recall hearing a horn before the release of the shot. And yes if my partner had information I would be willing to change the call if I was totally wrong. But this was easy. And his mechanics did not show he was sure.

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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 03:51pm
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Not sure why he could possibly be calling it off. That horn was well after the release. Maybe he's under the impression it has to hit the rim before the horn????
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 06:51pm
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Count Dracula ...

Why did he indicate that it was a three pointer if he wasn't going to count it?
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 07:26pm
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Ouch, not even close. To answer your 2 questions.

1. I have no frickin clue.
2. Ill listen to what my partner has to say and depending on his information mixed with my confidence of the call it depends. I mean I've had partners run over to tell me something that was right because they had a crappy angle and missed what happened later or on 50/50 calls (ie. strong side rebounding action pass on foul and award ball OOB where they come in and say, "didn't you see it hit red #xx" and I say, "didnt you see the foul on white #xx that i passed on"), so it depends.
2a. It also depends on my confidence with my partner.
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 08:18pm
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This a play where the 2 other officials cannot be afraid of hurting their partner's feelings.

I once had a bonehead play where I waved off an end of 1st quarter shot as the tableside trail. When I started off the halftime discussion by immediately apologizing to the crew, both my partners said I got it wrong. I really wished one those two would have stepped up when I made the call instead of waiting until we were in the locker room.
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:05pm
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Why did he indicate that it was a three pointer if he wasn't going to count it?
I was wondering who'd be the first to point that out. It didn't make sense to me that he went up with the three signal then changed to waving off the shot.
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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 09:46pm
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Wow. What the heck is that guy doing? Maybe he thought he saw a travel? I can't think of any other reason to wave off the shot. It was clearly released in time, by at least a second. Also, I counted 10 wave-offs. How many does one need??
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I was wondering who'd be the first to point that out. It didn't make sense to me that he went up with the three signal then changed to waving off the shot.
I do not see that as a big deal. He knows it is going to be a 3 point shot so I can understand the instinct to do that. But he never got the hand that high for that signal. I am more surprised why he waved off the shot than that little insignificant detail.

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Old Sun Apr 21, 2013, 11:41pm
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I do not see that as a big deal. He knows it is going to be a 3 point shot so I can understand the instinct to do that. But he never got the hand that high for that signal. I am more surprised why he waved off the shot than that little insignificant detail.

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It's not significant, just odd since this is an either/or situation. Either the shot was released on time or it wasn't. There's no reason to signal it's an attempt if it actually came after the horn. It seems as though in the second it took him to change he somehow talked himself out of the shot being released in time.

On another front: We can't see the full huddle on camera but I'd like to think the L would've been the one to give the strongest argument for the goal to count. He's the one guy who didn't have any players to watch in the sequence.

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Not sure why he could possibly be calling it off. That horn was well after the release. Maybe he's under the impression it has to hit the rim before the horn????
Camron, I had that thought as well. Then I thought, "Nah, there's no way someone could really think that, could they?" But that might actually explain why he started signalling the three and then brought it down.
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Old Mon Apr 22, 2013, 12:13am
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Ouch, not even close. To answer your 2 questions.

1. I have no frickin clue.
2. ...pass on foul and award ball OOB where they come in and say, "didn't you see it hit red #xx" and I say, "didnt you see the foul on white #xx that i passed on"), so it depends.
2a. It also depends on my confidence with my partner.
Why would you EVER pass on a foul? (Your words.) I understand passing on contact if it doesn't cause a disadvantage, but what you wrote is just bizarre.
Please either call a foul or award the ball to the team which didn't touch it last.

Doing otherwise is unfair.

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Old Mon Apr 22, 2013, 07:26am
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I think he (incorrectly) thinks the ball hit the basket support after the initial bounce. That explains the 3 point signal and wave off.
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Old Mon Apr 22, 2013, 07:29am
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I think he (incorrectly) thinks the ball hit the basket support after the initial bounce. That explains the 3 point signal and wave off.
nevermind ... I see one angle where he begins to wave off the shot before the ball hits the rim ... I'm not sure what he's thinking either.

Anyone know how this was resolved ... It looks like he was going to discuss with the Trail. Was the call changed?
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Old Mon Apr 22, 2013, 09:07am
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Why would you EVER pass on a foul? (Your words.) I understand passing on contact if it doesn't cause a disadvantage, but what you wrote is just bizarre.
Please either call a foul or award the ball to the team which didn't touch it last.

Doing otherwise is unfair.
I meant on passing on contact that could be a foul depending on advantage/disadvantage.
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