Throw-in question

A thrower-inner can dribble the ball out of bounds. The thower-inner can throw the ball up in the air to himself. Can the thrower-inner, during an endline throw-in, bounce the ball off the backboard to himself, catch it, and continue the throw-in?

PS: No I don't know why someone would do this, but I am curious.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by AremRed

A thrower-inner can dribble the ball out of bounds. The thower-inner can throw the ball up in the air to himself. Can the thrower-inner, during an endline throw-in, bounce the ball off the backboard to himself, catch it, and continue the throw-in?

PS: No I don't know why someone would do this, but I am curious.

The Thrower can do it but he will be committing a Throw-in Violation. I am headed to bed but I am sure that one of the youngun's on the Forum will come along and give you the correct rules reference to support up my call.

Good night all.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AremRed

A thrower-inner can dribble the ball out of bounds. The thower-inner can throw the ball up in the air to himself. Can the thrower-inner, during an endline throw-in, bounce the ball off the backboard to himself, catch it, and continue the throw-in?

PS: No I don't know why someone would do this, but I am curious.

Technically, the inbounder cannot dribble the ball.
It is illegal to cause the ball to carom off the board and return out of bounds.
The reason is that the backboard is located inbounds.

[Adam]

I'd call the violation, I'm sure, but I'd base it on a failure to throw the ball directly onto the court. I'm not sure this is directly covered, however, assuming the thrower was clearly not intending it to be a throw in pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Technically, the inbounded cannot dribble the ball.
It is illegal to cause the ball to carom off the board and return out of bounds.
The reason is that the backboard is located inbounds.

The back of it isn't.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

The back of it isn't.

Yes it is. By about four feet!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Yes it is. By about four feet!

SECTION 13 COURT AREAS
ART. 1 . . . A team’s frontcourt consists of that part of the court between its end line and the nearer edge of the division line, including its basket and the inbounds part of the backboard.
ART. 2 . . . A team’s backcourt consists of the rest of the court, including the entire division line and the opponent’s basket and inbounds part of the opponent’s backboard.

RULE 7
SECTION 1 OUT-OF-BOUNDS — PLAYER, BALL
ART. 2 . . . The ball is out of bounds:
a. When it touches or is touched by:
3. The supports or back of the backboard.

Looks like part of the backboard is actually OOB.

[Nevadaref]

Neither of you is properly reading what I wrote.
Obviously, I know that the ball becomes OOB when it contacts the back of the backboard.
I stated that the backboard is LOCATED inbounds. Thus a thrower would have to pass the ball such that it breaks the inbounds plane in order for it to contact the backboard. That is why the thrower can't do it.
On the other hand the thrower may cause the ball to strike other objects which are OOB such as the floor, the wall, the stanchion, a chair, a table, etc., as long as the ball remains on the OOB side of the boundary plane and does not carom into the court.
Do you now grasp what I wrote?
Since the front face of the backboard is positioned four feet from the vertical plane of the endline it would have to be an excessively thick backboard to have part of it located OOB!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Technically, the inbounder cannot dribble the ball.

Fundamental #5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Neither of you is properly reading what I wrote.
Obviously, I know that the ball becomes OOB when it contacts the back of the backboard.
I stated that the backboard is LOCATED inbounds. Thus a thrower would have to pass the ball such that it breaks the inbounds plane in order for it to contact the backboard. That is why the thrower can't do it.
On the other hand the thrower may cause the ball to strike other objects which are OOB such as the floor, the wall, the stanchion, a chair, a table, etc., as long as the ball remains on the OOB side of the boundary plane and does not carom into the court.
Do you now grasp what I wrote?
Since the front face of the backboard is positioned four feet from the vertical plane of the endline it would have to be an excessively thick backboard to have part of it located OOB!

This is a serious question. Where is it a violation to cause the ball to violate the inbounds air space. I'm honestly trying to find the rule that makes this a violation. If it's not a throw in pass, what rule has the thrower violated?

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by billymac

fundamental #5. Neither the dribble nor traveling rule operates during the jump ball, throw-in or free throw.

cb 9.2.2 d

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Thus a thrower would have to pass the ball such that it breaks the inbounds plane in order for it to contact the backboard. That is why the thrower can't do it.

Breaking the inbounds plane during a throw in is not against the rules. Where do you get the notion you're espousing here?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Nevada:

See Camron's post (Post #7 in this thread).

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Thanks Camron. Great minds think alike.

[Rob1968]

7-6-2 "The thrower shall release the ball on a pass directly into the court..." and "The throw-in pass shall touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched."
Thus, a) when the thrower releases the ball into the court, and the ball strikes the back of the backboard, it is a violation.
Likewise, b) if the thrower could pass the ball so that it hits the face, side, top, or bottom of the backboard and then carom back to the thrower, it is a violation.
In both cases, the ball was released "into the court" but did not "touch another player (inbounds or out of bounds) before going out of bounds" -a) contacting the out of bounds, back of the backboard, or b) contacting the thrower, who is out of bounds.
So, once the ball is released on a pass by the thrower, "into the court", the next contact of the ball determines whether a violation has occurred.
The same applies to an inbounding pass that crosses the court, without touching another player, and then goes out of bounds.

[Raymond]

What are we arguing about again?