Michigan-Louisville travel? (1st half)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

If you're looking NOT to work a championship game at whatever level you are working then call a travel here.

Someone thinks this is a travel? Seriously? Oh my!!!

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Someone thinks this is a travel? Seriously? Oh my!!!

Peace

While it is not one I think is intended by the rules, it technically is a travel for starting a dribble after lifting the pivot foot. He clearly catches the ball with his right foot down and then steps to his left foot...making the right the pivot. The right foot is lifted and is almost down for the next step before the ball is released on a dribble. Those facts are pretty clear and the rule is pretty clear. By the book, travel....but NEVER called. I don't think I even look for that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

While it is not one I think is intended by the rules, it technically is a travel for starting a dribble after lifting the pivot foot. He clearly catches the ball with his right foot down and then steps to his left foot...making the right the pivot. The right foot is lifted and is almost down for the next step before the ball is released on a dribble. Those facts are pretty clear and the rule is pretty clear. By the book, travel....but NEVER called. I don't think I even look for that.

I do not even think it is a by the book travel. It looks like he never actually catches the ball and kind of bats the ball down to the floor or lets it drops. That would be very nit picky IMO.

Peace

[Johnny Ringo]

He never catches the ball?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

He never catches the ball?

I do not see anything that suggests it is certain that he did for sure. Again, touching the ball and possession are not the same thing. I see players all the time let the ball hit their hands and let the ball drop into a dribble. Maybe he did catch the ball, but this tape does not make that clear to me. That is why calling this a travel would be a stretch.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not even think it is a by the book travel. It looks like he never actually catches the ball and kind of bats the ball down to the floor or lets it drops. That would be very nit picky IMO.

Peace

You should just stop posting about travels because you clearly just imagine what you want rather than admitting what is right in front of you.

Again, I'm not saying it should be called, but I'm at least honest about what it was rather than trying to BS my way out of saying it was a travel.

[APG]

This is the type of play and post that Rich's thread was alluding to.

[#olderthanilook]

Whether it's a travel or not, I would never call a violation in that specific situation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

This is the type of play and post that Rich's thread was alluding to.

Say what you will, but it complete BS to claim the player didn't catch the ball.

While I don't think it was the intent of the travel rule to make this a travel and I have no problem with that and standing behind it not being a travel but it is just plain silly to claim he didn't catch the ball. Anyone who claims that ball wasn't "caught" can only lose credibility. At least be honest about it rather than making something up to justify the ends.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

This is the type of play and post that Rich's thread was alluding to.

+100,000,000

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You should just stop posting about travels because you clearly just imagine what you want rather than admitting what is right in front of you.

Again, I'm not saying it should be called, but I'm at least honest about what it was rather than trying to BS my way out of saying it was a travel.

My comment was not about what you would call. My comment was based on what I saw on the video, from that angle and using previous experience. The pass was above or at the head of Burke and he like others put his hands up to make sure the ball does not hit him in the face and never actually catches the ball. Now that might not have happened here, but I have seen that so much that way I do not see this as a clear catch. And if he catches the ball, when did he actually catch the ball? That is why I would not call a travel here. Players do not always catch passes cleanly or with great control when they extend themselves. That is not the case in football. That is not the case in baseball and certainly not always the case in basketball. And this is really the case when players have to extend their arms to try to catch a pass. And if I was trying to BS my way out of it, why are you suggesting this should not be called? Again, call the obvious not what you cannot prove on tape. I see nothing on tape that proves when he had the ball and when, which would change when I consider the pivot foot.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The pass was above or at the head of Burke and he like others put his hands up to make sure the ball does not hit him in the face and never actually catches the ball. Now that might not have happened here, but I have seen that so much that way I do not see this as a clear catch. And if he catches the ball, when did he actually catch the ball?

Rut, to quote one of your posts on another thread, stop it. I have to agree with Camron's take. If you wouldn't call a travel, that's fine. The way you're describing the situation, though, reminds me of Bill Clinton's "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" line from the Lewinsky hearings.

I could slow the video down a little more but that would just take up time. Burke caught the ball. Again, if you wouldn't call a travel that's cool. You're not the only one. This really isn't one of those plays where we need to go over the act of catching the ball like it's the Zapruder film.

[Adam]

Wait, did he catch it on the grassy knoll under the library?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Rut, to quote one of your posts on another thread, stop it. I have to agree with Camron's take. If you wouldn't call a travel, that's fine. The way you're describing the situation, though, reminds me of Bill Clinton's "it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is" line from the Lewinsky hearings.

I could slow the video down a little more but that would just take up time. Burke caught the ball. Again, if you wouldn't call a travel that's cool. You're not the only one. This really isn't one of those plays where we need to go over the act of catching the ball like it's the Zapruder film.

I honestly do not give a crap what take you agree with. I do not recall I am asking for approval on my position. I just think that this looked like a "bat the ball to the ground" play I see 100 times. And if it was so obvious, why would someone say it should not be called why saying it was "technically" a travel? I thought someone said you must call these "technical" travels? If that is the case, then please call this. Just do not complain when someone looks at you and says, WTF and thinks you have no judgment.

I am also a clinician in my state. Which means I am one of many that can run a camp and instructed on how to teach officials how to do their jobs. What often happens when I evaluate games when I am observing officials I often ask them, "What did you see?" Then when they tell me, I either evaluate based on what they say as well. Officials on the floor see different things than we see on these plays from a non-officiating position. I know many of you here think that because you see something on the tape that is obvious to you, but officials when asked give interesting explanations. And often their explanation is not far-fetched or even wrong, they just see plays differently because they did not rule these things in slow motion and with some standard that applies to your experience. And to me I would rather ask the official in question than people watching the game that want to make every thing nefarious as to why a play is called or not called from your thinking.

Peace

[peachbasket]

OMG, If you want to open a can of worms, then call that a travel. That is looking for trouble. Period.