Michigan-Louisville shooting foul clip (Hancock/Burke 1st half)

[JetMetFan]

[OKREF]

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

Not from me, I hate it too. Not only for the reason you stated but because even with that there is little contact. I'm not bailing that guy out like that.

[kk13]

This is a play you see frequently at the end of a game. A majority of the time it is passed on because the offense is completely responsible for initiating the contact. I did not like the call.

[Judtech]

Who initiated contact?

[deecee]

Good call and good job of the offensive player drawing a foul from a defender who went for the pump fake. There are many instances where players offensive and defensive players jump into each other during a shot and almost always its a foul on the defense.

If the defender followed the rule of verticality then I would agree that this call was incorrect, but since he didn't the onus for contact IMO is on him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Who initiated contact?

The defender when they jumped across the path of the shooter. Good foul call. I'll call that every time.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

What contact?

[IUgrad92]

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

So when a shooter fades away or jumps at an angle, that is not a foul when contact occurs because they normally jump in another direction? I guess by that logic we should never call a foul on a jump shooter that tries to make a lay up based on normality of the player involved.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So when a shooter fades away or jumps at an angle, that is not a foul when contact occurs because they normally jump in another direction? I guess by that logic we should never call a foul on a jump shooter that tries to make a lay up based on normality of the player involved.

Peace

You can give general situations all day. I can only comment on specific plays, like this one. Each play is different and unique coach....

On this play I am applying the incidental contact rule based on what is normal offensive movement of a shooter in W11's position.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

The shooter gets to chose how they shoot the ball. The defense has to defend it legally. If the shooter wants to trap the defender in a bad position, the defender has to be smart enough to avoid it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

So I will post again:
So instead of jumping what if the offensive player took one dribble over to that spot and the defensive player landed on him? Would you still not want a foul called?

If the defensive player stays vertical he doesn't have to worry about a foul call.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So I will post again:
So instead of jumping what if the offensive player took one dribble over to that spot and the defensive player landed on him? Would you still not want a foul called?

If the defensive player stays vertical he doesn't have to worry about a foul call.

So are we only protecting an offensive player who's in the air, allowing him to land, without someone stepping underneath him?

Not me, that philosophy applies to both an offensive and a defensive player.

[fullor30]

Weak call, again from trail who has no angle and is straightlined.