Michigan-Louisville shooting foul clip (Hancock/Burke 1st half)

[OKREF]

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

Not from me, I hate it too. Not only for the reason you stated but because even with that there is little contact. I'm not bailing that guy out like that.

[kk13]

This is a play you see frequently at the end of a game. A majority of the time it is passed on because the offense is completely responsible for initiating the contact. I did not like the call.

[Judtech]

Who initiated contact?

[deecee]

Good call and good job of the offensive player drawing a foul from a defender who went for the pump fake. There are many instances where players offensive and defensive players jump into each other during a shot and almost always its a foul on the defense.

If the defender followed the rule of verticality then I would agree that this call was incorrect, but since he didn't the onus for contact IMO is on him.

[Raymond]

So instead of jumping what if the offensive player took one dribble over to that spot and the defensive player landed on him? Would you still not want a foul called?

If the defensive player stays vertical he doesn't have to worry about a foul call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Judtech

Who initiated contact?

The defender when they jumped across the path of the shooter. Good foul call. I'll call that every time.

[JRutledge]

From a fan point of few, obviously I do not want the call. But as an official, it was absolutely the right and only call. The defender committed too early and it was a good play by the shooter (MOP BTW). He was doing this all weekend to both Wichita State and Michigan more than once in each game.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The defender when they jumped across the path of the shooter. Good foul call. I'll call that every time.

What exactly is 'the path' of a shooter? Assuming that is different from the path of a dribbler.....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

What exactly is 'the path' of a shooter? Assuming that is different from the path of a dribbler.....

It is whichever way he wants to go where a defender has not legally obtained a position.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, I am going to get blasted for this, but. I hate this call. There isn't going to be any contact by the defense. The contact only happens because the offensive player jumps into the defensive player.

What contact?

[IUgrad92]

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

W11 leans left into the defender before starting shooting motion. That was NOT normal offensive movement by W11, thus 4-27-3 applies. W11 could have easily gone straight vertical, as he did for every other shot he took in this game, and there would not have been any contact made by the defender.

So when a shooter fades away or jumps at an angle, that is not a foul when contact occurs because they normally jump in another direction? I guess by that logic we should never call a foul on a jump shooter that tries to make a lay up based on normality of the player involved.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So when a shooter fades away or jumps at an angle, that is not a foul when contact occurs because they normally jump in another direction? I guess by that logic we should never call a foul on a jump shooter that tries to make a lay up based on normality of the player involved.

Peace

You can give general situations all day. I can only comment on specific plays, like this one. Each play is different and unique coach....

On this play I am applying the incidental contact rule based on what is normal offensive movement of a shooter in W11's position.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

You can give general situations all day. I can only comment on specific plays, like this one. Each play is different and unique coach....

On this play I am applying the incidental contact rule based on what is normal offensive movement of a shooter in W11's position.

I only gave those examples because you are using "normal" as if we have to judge what is normal based on how they jump or shoot. That sounds like an irrelevant point to me.

Peace