Louisville-Baylor PC & coach reaction clip

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

Maybe it was the 16 three pointers they gave up.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

BTW, one thing regarding the T on Walz (the Louisville HC). He'd been given a stop sign 4½ minutes into the game so it wasn't as though it was just pulled out of thin air. Not that giving him a T has any bearing on the lack of a T on Mulkey in this case. I just wanted to point it out so folks know Walz already had a warning when he got stuck.

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

Same here. I understand the concept of giving her a little rope here, and these three are better than I am, but I think they dropped the ball with the T. If I let a coach get stupid every time I thought my partner missed a call, or every time the coach thought I (or my partner) missed a call, I would have never called a coach technical foul. It's the only thing they vent about, for Pete's sake.

Why is it too much to ask coaches to act like adults under stress rather than teenagers who had their prom date stolen by a best friend?

[JeffM]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The C (who had a perfect view of the play) and the L saw the defender throw herself down and passed on the flop. The defender even kicked her knees out under the opponent probably causing her to go down too. If there is any call to be made, it would be a block.

At any other time in the game, it wouldn't be such a bad call. But at that time of the game, it was monumental. It could easily be argued that it cost Baylor the game.

The late whistle came when the T, way out of position, decided they had to have a call because of a bad understanding of "two bodies down". She didn't consider or trust that even both of her partners had a great view of the play.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think the call was nearly as bad as many others we've seen over the last few days.

Of course, the call might have cost Baylor the game, but it hadn't cost Baylor the game yet. They're down one with about 17 seconds left and Louisville has the ball. The game is far from over at that point. Perhaps the Baylor coaching staff could have provided some words of wisdom to the Baylor players at that critical moment of the game...Instead, it appears that she chose to work the refs by throwing a tantrum rather than to coach her players....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JeffM

I don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think the call was nearly as bad as many others we've seen over the last few days.

Of course, the call might have cost Baylor the game, but it hadn't cost Baylor the game yet. They're down one with about 17 seconds left and Louisville has the ball. The game is far from over at that point. Perhaps the Baylor coaching staff could have provided some words of wisdom to the Baylor players at that critical moment of the game...Instead, it appears that she chose to work the refs by throwing a tantrum rather than to coach her players....

I don't think it cost them the game, to be honest. They immediately stole the inbound pass once they pushed them into the corner. They got fouled, and made both free throws to take the lead. They then, immediately, played matador defense and had to commit a foul. That cost them the game.

I don't think they steal the pass if they don't have them boxed into that corner.

[deecee]

This just reinforces, "trust your partner(s)". This type of mix up I expect from new officials as they lack the experience and discipline to referee their primary. I had one guy I worked with this year that in the first quarter reached so far out and made 2 calls that IMO were incorrect. I addressed it with him and told him that make sure what he calls is what happened and don't guess.

Second quarter he does it again and calls a travel on a loose ball when all he could see was the players back, through the lane and about 4 players. Next time out I addressed it again. Quite frankly by now it was getting annoying because by chance each time this happened I ended up in front the irate coach.

The fourth time it happened and the coach started in on me I turned to him and told him to take up his complaint with the calling official, I had run out of excuses and reasons to give the coach.

This call reminded me of that situation. Bad angle, didn't see the whole play but for some reason or another a call was made. There have been plenty of times when I see things in my partners area and I wonder if I should have called it. Right there I know I shouldn't.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by deecee

There have been plenty of times when I see things in my partners area and I wonder if I should have called it. Right there I know I shouldn't.

We have a saying locally for calling out of your primary...don't know if it's common everywhere: "If one reaches up and grabs ya by the ba11$, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it. I doubt this was the case here.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

We have a saying locally for calling out of your primary...don't know if it's common everywhere: "If one reaches up and grabs ya by the ba11$, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it. I doubt this was the case here.

The official obviously thought that was the case here.

Peace

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The official obviously thought that was the case here.

Peace

I don't think the official actually has....oh wait....

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Maybe it was the 16 three pointers they gave up.

Not relevant....it was a 1 point game with 16 seconds left and the kick-out jumper was made. How they got to a 1 point game at that point is irrelevant. Perhaps they still steal the next inbounds anyway and go up 3. No one knows, but to wipe the go ahead basket with 16 seconds is usually the end of the game.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I get that he had been given a warning, however some acts don't need, or deserve a warning, in my eyes her acts don't deserve one, but who knows I might not have given her one either. I would like to think I would.

Believe me, I'm not trying to justify letting Mulkey off the hook. I just wanted to put Walz's T in its own context.

As to the Mulkey situation: I completely understand the feeling of "We screwed up X call so don't compound it by giving the offended coach a T." We've all been there. But...

*The NCAAW instructional video for this season has a "Sportsmanship" section, part of which deals with Coaches Behaving Badly.
*On January 29 we received a message from Debbie Williamson which included the following:

Address coaches who are out of the box as instructed in the preseason. Penalize unsporting behavior.

So what happens? We get a "What the Fu-Schnickens?" moment on national television...in the NCAA tournament...in a game involving the defending national champions.

If Mulkey was just in someone's ear maybe you let her vent and move on. The woman nearly undressed herself on the bench and that was before she left the coaching box. Someone has to T her up if only to save the crew. I think that sequence created some doubt in two subsequent situations:

*The kick on the inbounds following the PC. It really shouldn't have taken that long to deal with the clock. "Did white kick the inbound pass?" "Yes." "Okay, I'm going to have them reset the game clock to 16.7" "Okay." That's it. It doesn't take a group meeting.

*The foul on Louisville's last offensive play, which I'll post in the morning. I truly don't think the C could see it to call it but I'm thinking the L may have hesitated, in part, because of what happened at the other end in a continuation of the "Let's not screw this one up" theme.

Again, just me theorizing at 12:39 AM.

[Texas Aggie]

I think those asserting this was a bad call are protesting a bit too much. It wasn't a bad call. May not have been the best call for that particular situation, but a bad call requires a call for a rule infraction that didn't occur. Sorry, but the elements of a player control foul appear to have occurred here.

I've watched this video and the ESPN highlights about 20 times now. I still can't understand what made the Baylor player fall down.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

"If one reaches up and grabs ya by the balls, go and get it". Meaning if you think you're partner missed it and ya see it and it bothers you...grab it.

Here, in my little corner of Connecticut, we refer to this as, "Ants, and elephants".

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

I think those asserting this was a bad call are protesting a bit too much. It wasn't a bad call. May not have been the best call for that particular situation, but a bad call requires a call for a rule infraction that didn't occur. Sorry, but the elements of a player control foul appear to have occurred here.

Are you kidding? The UL player flopped. The PC foul that was called was total garbage, especially in the context of other contact during the game.

What elements exist? The NCAA uses To and Through terminology to evaluate B/C plays, and for there to be a PC foul there needs to be one player going through another player's space. This clearly did not happen on this play.