Louisville-Baylor PC & coach reaction clip

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not relevant....it was a 1 point game with 16 seconds left and the kick-out jumper was made. How they got to a 1 point game at that point is irrelevant. Perhaps they still steal the next inbounds anyway and go up 3. No one knows, but to wipe the go ahead basket with 16 seconds is usually the end of the game.

So just so I am sure I understand you correctly here, it is your contention that the officials "cost" Baylor the game?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

The NCAA uses To and Through terminology to evaluate B/C plays,.

I recall that in the pre-season video they specifically said that it didn't need to be "through" to have a PC foul. Maybe I'm misremembering.

(and, to be clear, I am making no comment here on the call / play specifically)

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

I've watched this video and the ESPN highlights about 20 times now. I still can't understand what made the Baylor player fall down.

I think upon feeling the contact with the defensive player she decided to pass back behind her and was off-balance when she came back down after twisting her body to make the pass.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So just so I am sure I understand you correctly here, it is your contention that the officials "cost" Baylor the game?

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

Baylor was fouled and sent to the line after this call. The FTs took the lead, then Louisville was fouled on the next possession. Sorry, but they had a lot of chances, let alone Baylor coach was out coached most of the game and had to make a furious comeback to have a chance. Sorry, I do not agree with your assessment of this situation.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I recall that in the pre-season video they specifically said that it didn't need to be "through" to have a PC foul. Maybe I'm misremembering.

(and, to be clear, I am making no comment here on the call / play specifically)

The preseason video said it doesn't just have to be squarely in the chest. If A1 tries to go around B1 and still hits him in the shoulder we should still have a PC.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I know I've made an incorrect call at the end of a game before that cost a team the win....ones that if I had made a different call, a different team would have won. It may have not been the only factor that led to that situation, but I was certainly a contributing factor.

So, this call was also contributing in that sense. It certainly wasn't the only factor, but it was a factor.

And, further, to take a score off the board with so little time left usually leaves insufficient time to recover. If the same thing happened with 3 minutes left, it wouldn't be such big deal. It is the timing of the situation that makes it so impactful.

Not buying it.

Have We all made a call towards the end of the game that we later wanted back? Sure. But to say that you cost them the game, or that the officials in this case cost Baylor the game, is total garbage.

There are so many things to go into a game...turnovers, missed gimme shots, bad shots that shouldn't have been taken, stupid fouls, missed free throws, etc., etc.

The crew on this game was not very good that night. But Baylor didn't exactly play very well, either. Louisville out hustled them and out coached them.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The preseason video said it doesn't just have to be squarely in the chest. If A1 tries to go around B1 and still hits him in the shoulder we should still have a PC.

Men's or Women's? That might make a difference here.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Men's or Women's? That might make a difference here.

Peace

Men's....but this play was a straight up flop.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Men's....but this play was a straight up flop.

I agree that this was a flop, but just saying things in the pre-season video is often different based on the gender we are discussing.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I agree that this was a flop, but just saying things in the pre-season video is often different based on the gender we are discussing.

Peace

Here's what we (NCAAW) had in our preseason presentation in October:

Contact does not have to be in middle of chest

Can be a charge when offensive player does not run through defender

That being said, I don't know if this block/charge rose to the level of enough contact for a PC foul.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Here's what we (NCAAW) had in our preseason presentation in October:



That being said, I don't know if this block/charge rose to the level of enough contact for a PC foul.

Yep -- that's what I remember.

[icallfouls]

regardless of rules set or directives, it was not a PC foul

[JRutledge]

Then what the hell were they talking about? I agree you do not have to go through a player, but I still would like to see actual displacement. There was no displacement by the contact. If anyone was displaced it was the offensive player as they fell over the defender's leg.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yep -- that's what I remember.

What we were told on the Men's side also.