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[Adam]

Originally Posted by APG

If you're going to use the signal, the timing of it has to be right...as in not immediately so as to avoid the scenario where a partner might come in (rightfully or not) with a call. You come in late with the signal. Doesn't always work 100 percent of the time, but I think the benefits of using the signal outweigh potential negatives.

And I never liked or bought into the whole "if I'm not counting, he's not within 6 ft" line of thinking...could just very well mean one isn't paying attention. I'm all for signals, used at the correct time and not too over dramatic, that give extra, pertinent information. I can very easily shut a coach's complaint about not having a count, with a single signal, rather than not doing anything and having to come back to the coach and give a half smartass comment about him not being within 6 because I didn't have a count. It's also why I personally don't have a problem seeing officials give the verticality signal on certain plays or the gator chop.

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

[chapmaja]

Play 1: I've not nothing on either play, but I will admit, when I saw this live I agreed with the ref on a travel. From where the L is, he can't see that McGary doesn't have possession of the ball because it was knocked out of his hand by the defender. You see the C start signalling the juggling signal, but the L is already calling a travel. That's just one of those tough calls.

Play 2: I commented on the other thread about this. It had to be a tough decision between a FF1 and a FF2. I don't like the officiating being overly officious in the tourney, but that was a good review.

[Camron Rust]

This is exactly why you don't call a travel unless you can see the ball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

Play 1: I've not nothing on either play, but I will admit, when I saw this live I agreed with the ref on a travel. From where the L is, he can't see that McGary doesn't have possession of the ball because it was knocked out of his hand by the defender. You see the C start signalling the juggling signal, but the L is already calling a travel. That's just one of those tough calls.
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I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have conditioned myself not to call travelling when I don't see the ball, no matter how funny things make look from my angle.

I am the same way, I'm just stating why I think the L made the call he did. I was actually surprised with Bieline's calm reaction to the call after watching it on replay.

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

That one I used to use quite a bit. I have gotten away from that on shot attempts unless the ball goes out of bounds then I will go up with the arm, indicate a tip and point for offensive team possession. (when working as the L). I figure otherwise everyone should be able to tell that since the whistle didn't blow on the attempt, I don't have a foul, the tip signal just indicates I saw the ball off the defense before it went OOB.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I really despise the tip, but largely because it's typically given before the players even hit the floor. I had one this year in a ymca game, L is giving the tip signal on a shot at the FT line. Defender got the arm, not the ball, I have a foul.

Timing is everything. I would not use it until the play is over. But I have no problem with it being used to communicate what someone saw.

Peace