LaSalle/Ole Miss (Video Added)

[zebraman]

About 2:10 left in game. LaSalle coach screaming at trail all the way out of backcourt. Then he screams at the officials during the duration of both free throws at the other end. Would someone at least give him a "cool it" signal? Geeze.

[APG]

Play 1: Got nothing, I think the offensive player did enough to avoid committing a charge.

Play 2: Gotta take care of business. Speaking of which, how do you handle this?

[Raymond]

On play #2 why is the C calling something all the way over the other side of the lane line right in front of the Trail? And the C had 2 players in between him and the play.

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On play #2 why is the C calling something all the way over the other side of the lane line right in front of the Trail? And the C had 2 players in between him and the play.

I'm glad someone else said it, because I was thinking the same thing, but I admit I have a LaSalle bias. (Coach John Giannini was at UMaine before getting the LaSalle job. I got to know Coach G, and he's become my favorite person to ever coach at my alma mater.)

[Bad Zebra]

#2- Ouch...New T had a beautiful view of the play. C had another player between him and the ball handler and reached...badly. Trust your partner...even in the tournament.

[JRutledge]

Play #1 - I have no problem with the call. I think something needed to be called either way and I think this was a foul.

Play #2 - This is pretty much how I feel about this situation.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

Probably would not have heard him in that setting and probably would not care unless he had been a problem previously. Hard to tell the second part of my assumption.

BTW, I have no problem with the call as he has the play coming at him and an angle on the defender that another official might not. That is the competitive match-up coming at him.

Peace

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And LaSalle's coach is about 35ft behind the closest official when he is yelling out "awful", nobody is paying attention to him.

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

[OKREF]

I can see not noticing him while they are officiating on the other end. Loud arena, tight game etc..., however if he is still there when they come back towards him, then they need to take care of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

It is not really clear where he is in relation to the officials and it is not clear at all if the officials can hear them. He is talking but this is a rather big arena. For all we know the other coach is talking to the officials. I cannot get on an official just for what we see in this video. If they were right next to the coach I would agree on some level and still would likely be OK if nothing happened. Our focus is always the floor first and then the benches if we are in proximity to them. If not, then I would not expect any official (and harder on a college court) to know what a coach is saying on the other end of the court.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Sorry, that wouldn't fly in my game and it wouldn't have flown when I had a college supervisor. We always have to know where the coaches are and what they are doing. Part of game management is having being aware of the benches and their conduct.

He was in his coaching box, so he is at the 28ft line in the backcourt while the Trail should be at the 28ft line in the front court, so that's 38ft. He's not waving his arms, jumping up and down, or coming on to the court. So he's doing nothing in that large venue that I would be paying attention to at that moment.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He was in his coaching box, so he is at the 28ft line in the backcourt while the Trail should be at the 28ft line in the front court, so that's 38ft. He's not waving his arms, jumping up and down, or coming on to the court. So he's doing nothing in that large venue that I would be paying attention to at that moment.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I guess it depends on how much emphasis your supervisor (or what's accepted in your area) puts on bench decorum. There is no way the center couldn't at least read his lips during the free throws. With any of the groups I have worked for, if a coach yells, "that's awful," four times during free throws, it needs to be noticed and addressed... especially after he just reamed-out the trail the entire time coming out of backcourt.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

On play #2 why is the C calling something all the way over the other side of the lane line right in front of the Trail? And the C had 2 players in between him and the play.

This is a great example of why it is always easier to officiate a play that is coming towards you, rather than going away from you.

Why is the C calling something you ask?....because he could see it and the Trail could not. Assuming this same call had been made on similar plays earlier in the game, this is a good call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

This is a great example of why it is always easier to officiate a play that is coming towards you, rather than going away from you.

Why is the C calling something you ask?....because he could see it and the Trail could not. Assuming this same call had been made on similar plays earlier in the game, this is a good call.

Bull-puckies that the Trail couldn't see it. And that the play was coming at the C.

Check the play again.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Bull-puckies that the Trail couldn't see it. And that the play was coming at the C.

Check the play again.

The T had to look thru the dribblers' and defenders' backs to see what the C had coming straight at him.

Sorry if your video review capabilities don't include objectively looking at what each official can see given their positioning.

The lesson that John Adams learned from the 2010 Duke v Butler Championship Game was that call accuracy is almost exclusively dependant on official positioning. Per his review, when those game officials blew the whistle, they were correct 90% of the time. When they did NOT blow the whistle, they were 50% accurate. After evaluating the non-call plays again, he determined that the official did not blow the whistle because he did not see the play.

As a result, Adams was convinced more than ever that an official who cannot get into proper position, cannot get the calls right. Thus began the "end" of NCAA Tournament careers for officials that Adams felt couldn't run well.