Basketball rule questions

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't think you can ever take 2 steps without dribbling, can you?

Catch the ball in the air...left foot hits...then right foot...jump off that foot for a layup.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I don't think you can ever take 2 steps without dribbling, can you?

Originally Posted by APG

Catch the ball in the air...left foot hits...then right foot...jump off that foot for a layup.

It would also depend on what you consider "steps." I would consider any step to be even if it was with the non-pivot foot. And since "steps" are not defined in NCAA or NF Rules, that is going to be subjective what people mean by steps.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It would also depend on what you consider "steps." I would consider any step to be even if it was with the non-pivot foot. And since "steps" are not defined in NCAA or NF Rules, that is going to be subjective what people mean by steps.

Peace

Indeed...the sequence I described above would be considered two steps in the NBA..but then again, that's part of their criteria in establishing a pivot foot in their rules.

[just another ref]

In everyday terms, basketball notwithstanding, when you think of two steps, you picture this. A person is standing still with both feet on the floor. He lifts one foot, moves it forward, then returns it to the floor. He then lifts the other foot, moves it forward, and returns it to the floor.

You cannot legally do this holding a basketball. Period. (not talking about NBA)

But watch the tournament for a few minutes, see a move to the basket, particularly a spin move, and this is dramatically contradicted.

Over and over.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

In everyday terms, basketball notwithstanding, when you think of two steps, you picture this. A person is standing still with both feet on the floor. He lifts one foot, moves it forward, then returns it to the floor. He then lifts the other foot, moves it forward, and returns it to the floor.

You cannot legally do this holding a basketball. Period. (not talking about NBA)

But watch the tournament for a few minutes, see a move to the basket, particularly a spin move, and this is dramatically contradicted.

Over and over.

People use "steps" all the time in their description of traveling in many situations. So it is possible that people are imagining it one way and someone is imagining it in another way. That is why I hate to even use that terminology like I would not use "over the back." It gives the wrong impression of what actually the rule describes.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....it is possible that people are imagining it one way and someone is imagining it in another way.

Hence the description. No need to imagine. If the above description is what you mean by two steps, the answer is no, it's not legal.

Yet it happens a lot without a call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Hence the description. No need to imagine. If the above description is what you mean by two steps, the answer is no, it's not legal.

Yet it happens a lot without a call.

OK, and what are you going to do about it?

As I have said before a lot of travels are called improperly and a lot of them are not called. It is the nature of the beast.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by APG

Catch the ball in the air...left foot hits...then right foot...jump off that foot for a layup.

That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

What is a half step?

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What is a half step?

Peace

Left ft on ground, step with right(1 step), lift left ft, shoot or pass before it hits, (1/2 step).

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What is a half step?

Peace

Going from a natural to a sharp!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Going from a natural to a sharp!

And I still do not know what that means.

Where is the definition of this half step in the rulebook or casebook?

This is why you do not use the term "steps" as there is no rules reference for that classification. It is all about the pivot foot and when it is established and what you can do with the pivot foot.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And I still do not know what that means.

Go buy a music book.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Go buy a music book.

No need, we can always go to the Wikipedia on the interwebs.

[APG]

Originally Posted by OKREF

That's not 2 steps. That is 1 and a half.

There is no definition of steps in NFHS/NCAA rules. I'd venture a guess and say most laypersons would consider my scenario to be 2 steps. And in the NBA, where steps are used to determine the pivot foot, my scenario would be considered two steps.