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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

So they have to get all the way to the hips? If he stops 1" from his hips and does it 3-4 times, it isn't a block? Yeah, right. :/

If you want to be that technical the only signal he gave was a 3 point signal.

Now unless you are an NCAA Rules Editor or coordinator, then honestly what you or I think he means little. You can argue all you want, but there is not a signal that clearly shows a block. He puts his arms up but that is interpreted many ways. And guess what happened? They went with a PC foul. And unless you are on the NF committee or someone that evaluates officials across the country and has say, I would take the same position on this play. I do not like the fact a partner had to wave off the other before a signal, but there was no signal.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

C'mon Rut. Any person who watches basketball, whether an official or not, knows the Lead was about to call a block.

I like the Trail calling him off and doing a solid sell to avoid the blarge.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

C'mon Rut. Any person who watches basketball, whether an official or not, knows the Lead was about to call a block.

I like the Trail calling him off and doing a solid sell to avoid the blarge.

Did the Lead not blow his whistle? I think he knows he had something. He was telling him "I got this." Not sure who you work with, but I tend to know a lot of the time when my partner has a whistle and know when I am coming in hard to sell the call. It is not even a situation about a block-charge, it could be some other contact before the Lead would have something. Let us not make this so complicated. But we always seem to on this site.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Over thirty years I wish I had a dime for every time that I made a last split second decision and either changed my open hand to a fist, or my fist to an open hand. I hope that it's how we "finish" our signal, not how we start our signal. But that's just my opinion and it does not necessarily represent the views of my local board, its affiliates, employees, sponsors, the local station, etc.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Over thirty years I wish I had a dime for every time that I made a last split second decision and either changed an open hand to a fist, or a fist to an open hand. I hope that it's how we "finish" our signal, not how we start our signal. But that's just my opinion and it does not necessarily represent the views of my local board, its affiliates, employees, sponsors, the local station, etc.

And if we go by what it "started to look like" then we should have been having this debate a long time ago. I do not know how many videos we had where an official looks like they are going to call something that is contradictory to what was actually called. Funny never heard this argument before.

Peace

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Over thirty years I wish I had a dime for every time that I made a last split second decision and either changed an open hand to a fist, or a fist to an open hand. I hope that it's how we "finish" our signal, not how we start our signal. But that's just my opinion and it does not necessarily represent the views of my local board, its affiliates, employees, sponsors, the local station, etc.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

If they signal improperly, you hit them with a hammer?

rough neighborhood

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

El Cóndor Pasa, as sung by Simon and Garfunkel?

[Raymond]

I'm getting of people saying the Trail WAVED OFF the lead. He stopped the Lead from finishing his preliminary and took the call. I took a call from my partner last might even though we had the same call. I took it bc it was mine to make.

[just another ref]

Can anyone reveal the exact wording of the memo regarding this matter?

If two complete opposing preliminary signals are given, both fouls must be reported.


"Nice job holding up at the last possible instant, guy."


or

If an official has committed to make a certain signal and this is obvious to everyone involved, he is obligated to follow through and make the call. The call of one official taking precedence over another must be avoided at all cost, no matter how stupid it may look.

(surely not)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you want to be that technical the only ...
Peace

Wow. You are really stretching it.. you should quit trying to argue against the obvious

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wow. You are really stretching it.. you should quit trying to argue against the obvious

Obvious? Again Camron, we deal in definitions. There is no definitions that says a signal is made just because it looks like it is going to be a certain signal. And you are not in a position to say either way. All you are saying is your opinion and considering that many here do not always agree with your opinion, then it is nice you gave one, but not official. I am sure the officials in this game or their evaluator is not like, "You know that guy Camron on that website made some sense." I doubt anyone really even knows you or I have had this conversations and couldn't care less what we think either.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Obvious? Again Camron, we deal in definitions. There is no definitions that says a signal is made just because it looks like it is going to be a certain signal. And you are not in a position to say either way. All you are saying is your opinion and considering that many here do not always agree with your opinion, then it is nice you gave one, but not official. I am sure the officials in this game or their evaluator is not like, "You know that guy Camron on that website made some sense." I doubt anyone really even knows you or I have had this conversations and couldn't care less what we think either.

Peace

Think about it. If he didn't really "show" an indication of what he had we really wouldn't even be having this discussion as there would be nothing to discuss. The fact is that he revealed what he had. It isn't an opinion.

Do you really, honestly think he was going to a charge??? Have you EVER seen anyone at that level signal a charge that way? There are two possibilities here....you answer no or you lie.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If you want to be that technical the only signal he gave was a 3 point signal.

Now unless you are an NCAA Rules Editor or coordinator, then honestly what you or I think he means little. You can argue all you want, but there is not a signal that clearly shows a block. He puts his arms up but that is interpreted many ways. And guess what happened? They went with a PC foul. And unless you are on the NF committee or someone that evaluates officials across the country and has say, I would take the same position on this play. I do not like the fact a partner had to wave off the other before a signal, but there was no signal.

Peace

If there was no signal by the L then what exactly was his partner waving off? maybe his partner was just really happy to see the L and was waving HI with both hands? I mean I've done that before at parties and reunions.
Doesn't WBB still have the 'get together and get it right' instead of blare mentality?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Judtech

If there was no signal by the L then what exactly was his partner waving off? maybe his partner was just really happy to see the L and was waving HI with both hands? I mean I've done that before at parties and reunions.
Doesn't WBB still have the 'get together and get it right' instead of blare mentality?

Actually he did not wave him off, he put his arms up to say, "Stop" or "I got this." And if you have never seen an official do this in a game, well not sure what you have seen over the years. I have seen officials do something like this or tap their chest or point to their partner when there clearly was a double or multiple whistle play. Better yet, what did they talk about in the locker room after this play and I wonder what was talked about before these games. Many of these guys have never worked together or do not work in the same conferences.

Peace