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[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

The NFHS case play is clear, but you know that. You're the only one who suggests otherwise, but you know that. Let's stay on topic here.

Here's the interesting part. If I understand correctly, this NCAA memo specifies that opposing prelims=blarge. (must report both) But this starts a whole new debate. When is a signal a signal? Like in the OP. Yeah, it's pretty obvious that the lead had a block. Is the crew in trouble now for not reporting both?

[cmb]

I can't believe anyone could seriously think the L didn't give a signal. He blows his whistle and is sliding/hopping to his side while holding two fists high in the air. Let's not kid anyone here. That's enough for everyone to know he's calling a block.

Question for those trying to tell us the L didn't actually signal: in your opinion, at what point is the block signal actually made? Is it once the fists start to come down? When they actually hit the hips? Somewhere in between??

I agree with Camron. The signal was received, which means it was sent.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by cmb

I can't believe anyone could seriously think the L didn't give a signal. He blows his whistle and is sliding/hopping to his side while holding two fists high in the air. Let's not kid anyone here. That's enough for everyone to know he's calling a block.

Question for those trying to tell us the L didn't actually signal: in your opinion, at what point is the block signal actually made? Is it once the fists start to come down? When they actually hit the hips? Somewhere in between??

I agree with Camron. The signal was received, which means it was sent.

I have done the two hands up thing and then signaled a charge, I processed for a moment and made the correct call. It was never a block. The extra moment before banging my hips was enough for me to get it right.

The crowd (about 3500) didn't gasp and start screaming for what they thought I was going to call.

The only ones who knew it were my referee buddies, who texted me at halftime and said "nice save."

B/C's are usually bang-bang big moment plays, it happens.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

I have done the two hands up thing and then signaled a charge, I processed for a moment and made the correct call. It was never a block. The extra moment before banging my hips was enough for me to get it right.

And we've all done things when we meant to do something else. Which is one great reason why being required to ultimately do anything because of a signal is, how can I put this delicately, incredibly stupid.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And we've all done things when we meant to do something else. Which is one great reason why being required to ultimately do anything because of a signal is, how can I put this delicately, incredibly stupid.

Sounds like we are in agreement

[zebraman]

If the lead would have started with a single fist foul signal before he started to signal a block, this thread wouldn't exist. :-) Good fundamentals can even save the big dogs.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by cmb

I can't believe anyone could seriously think the L didn't give a signal. He blows his whistle and is sliding/hopping to his side while holding two fists high in the air. Let's not kid anyone here. That's enough for everyone to know he's calling a block.

It is? Well I can tell you I used to raise my arms to give ultimately at PC foul signal. I used wave off the basket and it was often assumed by people watching that I was giving a "block" call at first. And it does ot matter what we "think" he was going to do, he did not ultimately signal anything and tha is all that matters despite what you say. Not every official runs out and gives a PC signal. Many different ways officials do things or the style they use.

Originally Posted by cmb

Question for those trying to tell us the L didn't actually signal: in your opinion, at what point is the block signal actually made? Is it once the fists start to come down? When they actually hit the hips? Somewhere in between??

I agree with Camron. The signal was received, which means it was sent.

Isn't a block signal include putting your hands on your hips at some point? I do not see any block signal in any book that shows your hands raised. Not sure it is that complicated as you seem to be making it, where you agree with Camron or not.

Peace