Another example, though not as dramatic as some, of the need to further define when a timeout is "granted."

Me either. Grant the freaking timeout and be done with it.

I have never known it to be much of an issue in the first place. When as a coach or player been in such confusion they do not ask for a timeout well in advance of this becoming a issue in the first place. That is why you take your time anyway.

Peace

The one thing I hate about this forum is all the perfect officials in here.....you guys keep being perfect, I'll keep enjoying what I do

those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

This kind of says it all, doesn't it? Personal enjoyment trumps learning to do it right. Awesome.

For the record, I think the rest of us who aren't inventing rules also enjoy what we do (and those that don't move on and do something else eventually).

I'm not sure how the two things you list have anything to do with one another.

Who's Buried In Granted's Tomb ???
 

Do we have to go through this again? Wait? We never did get any closure the last time. I guess it's alright, but first I have to get something:

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.47803...16275&pid=15.1

I actually had the OP scenario happen in a MS boys game this year. As the ball is bouncing to the shooter, defensive coach requests a TO. T hits his whistle as the shooter catches it, I get the ball ball back, and T reports the TO.

Shooter's coach is a highly rated local official, and he didn't say a word.

The really neat thing is, I did it right, and I still enjoyed working that game.

You enjoy knowingly doing something wrong?

It isn't exactly a hard concept to know when the ball becomes live for the FT.

I happen to enjoy being able to do it AND do it right.

Do you also enjoy calling a 5 second violation in the backcourt or travelling on a throwin?

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I'm perfect and I enjoy what I do. At least that's what my wife observes :cool:

I think maybe you've gotten too used to the laid back atmosphere of Montana hoops. Things will change when you hit Florida.

OK, maybe a post that could have been better expressed. I'm simply saying that after I release the ball to the shooter there isn't a lot of time elapsed before it's in his hand/at his/her disposal. Not much time there to hear the request, look over and respond to it.

If trail, usually facing the table/bench area, sees it and grants the TO then fine.

It's not clear in the book (thus the many discussions we've had on similar plays), but I think all that need be done is make the request during that interval (and you becoming aware that it was made then -- even if that "awareness" happens just after the ball is caught)

To me, the timeout occurs when I hear the a valid request...even if it takes me a moment to sound the whistle.