Who Is "They?"

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

"They" are those of you who would choose to simply ignore the tape over the ears. And claiming ignorance because you asked doesn't really let you off the hook. You know with 99.9% certainty that tape or bandaids over the ears means there are earrings underneath. Choosing to let it go makes you "they".

Wow.

Honestly, I kind of suspect that if you were on the court, and saw Andy or I or others who seem to agree, you'd sigh to yourselves, saying, "Great, I get to work with "that guy" again," and grit your teeth, and decide to just deal with it.

And Andy or I, seeing you or Hopguy, or some of the others, would say the same thing to ourselves.

And then when it the ball is finally in the air - we'd get along just fine and have a good game.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Wow.

Honestly, I kind of suspect that if you were on the court, and saw Andy or I or others who seem to agree, you'd sigh to yourselves, saying, "Great, I get to work with "that guy" again," and grit your teeth, and decide to just deal with it.

And Andy or I, seeing you or Hopguy, or some of the others, would say the same thing to ourselves.

And then when it the ball is finally in the air - we'd get along just fine and have a good game.

And if you were up here in my Association, and you allowed the kid to play with tape over their ears, I would move on to my next Varsity game while you went on to your next MS game.

I wouldn't allow a kid to play in my game with tape over the ears.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

And if you were up here in my Association, and you allowed the kid to play with tape over their ears, I would move on to my next Varsity game while you went on to your next MS game.

And Vice Versa if we're going there - which we shouldn't have.

I wouldn't allow a kid to play in my game with tape over the ears.

Unless A) a new rule is written that disallows tape/bandaids on the ears or B) my assignors reverse their opinions and tell us all to assume tape = earring until proven otherwise, I'm not going to invent a rule to keep them from wearing a bandaid wherever they happen to need one.

Perhaps this is one of those things that change in their manner of enforcement across the country. But I surely don't think your implication that I MUST work only low level games because the standards in my area differ from yours is an appropriate one... in fact I think it was uncalled for.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I wouldn't allow a kid to play in my game with tape over the ears.

Even if there wasn't an earing under the tape?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Even if there wasn't an earing under the tape?

If they prove to me there's no earring under the tape, then of course they can play with tape over their ears. Geez - is it really necessary to be so literal? You know what I meant. It won't be long before I put you back on my ignore list, I suspect...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

If they prove to me there's no earring under the tape, then of course they can play with tape over their ears.

Again, I expect officials to do what is the expected standard in their little corner of their state, however.

The player tells you he isn't wearing an erring. The coach tells you that all his players are legally equipped. Yet you still insist that the player pull off his tape. You have just, in essence, accused both the player, and his coach, of being liars, and that's not the way I want my game to go before we've even tossed up the jump ball.

Let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there's no earing, just a cut. Now the official has just, in essence, accused two people of being liars, incorrectly, for no reason. Again, not the way I want to start my game.

Or, let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there is an earing, proving that both the player, and the coach, are, indeed, liars. They've been exposed for what they really are, liars, and also, they're embarrassed liars. Again, not the way I want to start my game.

Again, if asking players to remove tape is the excepted standard in an association, then that's the way you have to do it. I have no problem with that.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Again, I expect officials to do what is the expected standard in their little corner of their state, however.

The player tells you he isn't wearing an erring. The coach tells you that all his players are legally equipped. Yet you still insist that the player pull off his tape. You have just, in essence, accused both the player, and his coach, of being liars, and that's not the way I want my game to go before we've even tossed up the jump ball.

Let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there's no earing, just a cut. Now the official has just, in essence, accused two people of being liars, incorrectly, for no reason. Again, not the way I want to start my game.

Or, let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there is an earing, proving that both the player, and the coach, are, indeed, liars. They've been exposed for what they really are, liars, and also, they're embarrassed liars. Again, not the way I want to start my game.

Again, if asking players to remove tape is the excepted standard in an association, then that's the way you have to do it. I have no problem with that.

What a bunch of nonsense. I am thanking my lucky stars I don't work in your little corner.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Smitty

What a bunch of nonsense.

Although I don't consider this (below) nonsense, I do admit that it's pretty far fetched:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there's no earing, just a cut. Now the official has just, in essence, accused two people of being liars, incorrectly, for no reason. Again, not the way I want to start my game..

This (below), however, is not nonsense, its what's really going to happen:

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Or, let's say that after questioning both the player, and the coach, about the tape, the official still insists that the player pull off the tape, and there is an earing, proving that both the player, and the coach, are, indeed, liars. They've been exposed for what they really are, liars, and also, they're embarrassed liars. Again, not the way I want to start my game.

And exactly what part of this (below) is nonsense?

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I expect officials to do what is the expected standard in their little corner of their state ... if asking players to remove tape is the excepted standard in an association, then that's the way you have to do it. I have no problem with that.

People don't take kindly to being accused of as being liars here in New England. And we don't accuse people of being liars, unless we're 100% certain that they really are, or have shown a propensity of lying in the past. Players may lie, they're just kids, but coaches around here are usually pretty ethical educators.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Wow.

Honestly, I kind of suspect that if you were on the court, and saw Andy or I or others who seem to agree, you'd sigh to yourselves, saying, "Great, I get to work with "that guy" again," and grit your teeth, and decide to just deal with it.

And Andy or I, seeing you or Hopguy, or some of the others, would say the same thing to ourselves.

And then when it the ball is finally in the air - we'd get along just fine and have a good game.

I would not go crazy at all about it either way. Such a minor thing, but a kid is not playing in one of my games with an earring in his ear when I see it.

It is like the shooting sleeve issue. There are people that go out of their way to make sure a kid is using it for medical purposes, even though in our state it is already assumed they are wearing them for that reason and we are not required to ask. But there are officials that ask anyway and then make them take it off when they do not get the right answer. I just find it funny, but that is on those officials. And it is not a liability to use those things, they just have to match some standard that was set by someone else. But as you said when the ball goes up it is not at the forefront of my mind and never will be until they change something.

Peace