From beyond the arc

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

You'll see the line moved back before the shot clock gets added.

That's both my hope and my prediction.

I don't understand the resistance to a shot clock. In WA we have a shot clock for both boys and girls and I don't see the "woe is me, the world is ending" level of problems that many in this forum profess will occur if a shot clock is implemented.


Yes we do have the odd hiccup from a shot clock operator - mostly at the lower levels where kids are running the clocks. But very rarely at the varsity level. I will take what we have over slow action-less basketball every day!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I don't understand the resistance to a shot clock. In WA we have a shot clock for both boys and girls and I don't see the "woe is me, the world is ending" level of problems that many in this forum profess will occur if a shot clock is implemented.


Yes we do have the odd hiccup from a shot clock operator - mostly at the lower levels where kids are running the clocks. But very rarely at the varsity level. I will take what we have over slow action-less basketball every day!

I just don't see a need.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I don't understand the resistance to a shot clock. In WA we have a shot clock for both boys and girls and I don't see the "woe is me, the world is ending" level of problems that many in this forum profess will occur if a shot clock is implemented.


Yes we do have the odd hiccup from a shot clock operator - mostly at the lower levels where kids are running the clocks. But very rarely at the varsity level. I will take what we have over slow action-less basketball every day!

Originally Posted by Adam

I just don't see a need.

Agree. Very few games would be improved by it and it cost a lot of money to address an issue that infrequently exists.

Most games would be improved by 3-personwhereas only 1 out of a 100 (maybe 1000) might be improved with a shot clock.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I don't understand the resistance to a shot clock. In WA we have a shot clock for both boys and girls and I don't see the "woe is me, the world is ending" level of problems that many in this forum profess will occur if a shot clock is implemented.


Yes we do have the odd hiccup from a shot clock operator - mostly at the lower levels where kids are running the clocks. But very rarely at the varsity level. I will take what we have over slow action-less basketball every day!

I think it has to do with money. Maybe they don't think all schools can afford the shot clock. I think that is not the case, but maybe the Fed does. Also not all states are using 3 man mechanics. I don't know, but maybe they don't want the shot clock with only 2 man mechanics.

[Scuba_ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I think it has to do with money. Maybe they don't think all schools can afford the shot clock. I think that is not the case, but maybe the Fed does. Also not all states are using 3 man mechanics. I don't know, but maybe they don't want the shot clock with only 2 man mechanics.

I will give you the "money" argument and even the "we don't need it" argument, but I don't buy the "it will cause too many problems" argument. I just don't see it.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I will give you the "money" argument and even the "we don't need it" argument, but I don't buy the "it will cause too many problems" argument. I just don't see it.

I don't think it will cause any problems either. My point is how many states only use 2 man mechanics? Here the largest schools are the only with 3 man. What I am saying is, they may not want to implement shot clock with only 2 man mechanics. Maybe they only want shot clock in games with 3 man mechanics. I don't know why that would matter, but just a thought.

[Jesse James]

Scoring averages go down yearly, in my opinion largely due to increasing demand of the player going to the bucket, or in the post to play through contact.

Making the three-ball longer, or shortening possessions with a clock will only serve to launch even worse shots, and even less scoring.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

How many states only use 2 man mechanics?

What? There are states other than Connecticut that don't work three person games? Get outta here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I will give you the "money" argument and even the "we don't need it" argument, but I don't buy the "it will cause too many problems" argument. I just don't see it.

The rarity of shot clock issues is exceeded by the rarity of games where it's needed.

IOW, it may not create many headaches, but it would solve even fewer.

It's like using napalm to kill a spider in the back yard.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Adam

The rarity of shot clock issues is exceeded by the rarity of games where it's needed.

IOW, it may not create many headaches, but it would solve even fewer.

It's like using napalm to kill a spider in the back yard.

Agreed. NY uses it at its top BV level (AA) which I think makes sense. More of those kids are going to play at the next level so it doesn't hurt to let them get used to it. That being said it's not as though those kids would stand around playing stall ball if we didn't use it.

The headache comes with finding people to run the thing. In NYC I'd say 98% of the table crews are students. It's tough enough finding kids who can keep a proper scorebook in some places let alone finding someone who can do the shot clock correctly. I've had games where there's an extra 10-15 minutes added on in real time just to deal with mistakes.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref

I don't understand the resistance to a shot clock. In WA we have a shot clock for both boys and girls and I don't see the "woe is me, the world is ending" level of problems that many in this forum profess will occur if a shot clock is implemented.


Yes we do have the odd hiccup from a shot clock operator - mostly at the lower levels where kids are running the clocks. But very rarely at the varsity level. I will take what we have over slow action-less basketball every day!

No shot clock here. And no slow action basketball here either.