2013 IHSA 2A Boys' Final...Plays to Consider

[Bad Zebra]

This looks like it would evolve into a WWE match by the 4th quarter...not surprised there were out-of-control players by the end of the game.

[Multiple Sports]

Thanks for putting these up......

1 - Easy illegal screen

2 - Defense initially pushes guy off block.....however play did settle (a bit) and basket was scored...however have no problem with foul on defender

3 - Can't tell was there a backcourt ,????defense knock away then offense first touch last touch....

4 - Block ( not because of arc) player with ball in air, defender sledes under

Get back with other four later.......

JMF - Dude great job !!!

Thanks

[#olderthanilook]

Excellent video clips, JMF. Thanks for posting.

I've got "block" (defender still trying to gain LGP after shooters left the floor) on the two block/charge scenarios.

The moving screens were egregious, as well.

Agree with the comments made about the rough post play.

[JRutledge]

#1--Not even close. Bad screen but not something I would call when the defender goes around the screen.

#2--Probably would have called something or addressed this issue for sure. Both players were going at it pretty hard.

3--Not a very good angle and it appears the right player got the ball. I can live with a no call in that game.

4--Looks like a block all the way, but the official gave another signal or called something on someone different. Not sure what the Lead was watching there.

5--I had less problem with that sequence than the first one. It looks like both players moved around each other more than anything. The Lead had a better angle and passed on this, so I can live with that. Not unusual when you have big and physical players in the post in my experience.

6--Something should have been called there.

7--Agreed, illegal screen.

8--No problem with a handchecking foul here.

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

#1--Not even close. Bad screen but not something I would call when the defender goes around the screen.

#2--Probably would have called something or addressed this issue for sure. Both players were going at it pretty hard.

3--Not a very good angle and it appears the right player got the ball. I can live with a no call in that game.

4--Looks like a block all the way, but the official gave another signal or called something on someone different. Not sure what the Lead was watching there.

5--I had less problem with that sequence than the first one. It looks like both players moved around each other more than anything. The Lead had a better angle and passed on this, so I can live with that. Not unusual when you have big and physical players in the post in my experience.

6--Something should have been called there.

7--Agreed, illegal screen.

8--No problem with a handchecking foul here.

Peace

I agree and have the following:
2) defender uses the knee to drive the offense 6 ft up the lane
4) i can live with no call, contact was after release and getting foot on floor
6) looks very similar to 2), but this is more Through than To
8) once the offense swipes at the defense, that is likely because the offense cannot move freely as a result of the defense impeding. If I no call it, the defender becomes highly suspect over the next few minutes.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

#1--Not even close. Bad screen but not something I would call when the defender goes around the screen.

#2--Probably would have called something or addressed this issue for sure. Both players were going at it pretty hard.

3--Not a very good angle and it appears the right player got the ball. I can live with a no call in that game.

4--Looks like a block all the way, but the official gave another signal or called something on someone different. Not sure what the Lead was watching there.

5--I had less problem with that sequence than the first one. It looks like both players moved around each other more than anything. The Lead had a better angle and passed on this, so I can live with that. Not unusual when you have big and physical players in the post in my experience.

6--Something should have been called there.

7--Agreed, illegal screen.

8--No problem with a handchecking foul here.

Peace

These responses most closely match my thoughts.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

These responses most closely match my thoughts.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

#1--Not even close. Bad screen but not something I would call when the defender goes around the screen.

#2--Probably would have called something or addressed this issue for sure. Both players were going at it pretty hard.

3--Not a very good angle and it appears the right player got the ball. I can live with a no call in that game.

4--Looks like a block all the way, but the official gave another signal or called something on someone different. Not sure what the Lead was watching there.

5--I had less problem with that sequence than the first one. It looks like both players moved around each other more than anything. The Lead had a better angle and passed on this, so I can live with that. Not unusual when you have big and physical players in the post in my experience.

6--Something should have been called there.

7--Agreed, illegal screen.

8--No problem with a handchecking foul here.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

These responses most closely match my thoughts.

Oh my.

Isn't this one of the signs of the apocalypse?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Oh my.

Isn't this one of the signs of the apocalypse?

We are in the final days my friend.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Yeah, it shocked me too.
It appears that there is more than one route to the destination as we both end up making similar decisions no matter how we get there.
Also, this game didn't look all that physical to me and it wouldn't surprise me if Rut felt the same way.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Yeah, it shocked me too.
It appears that there is more than one route to the destination as we both end up making similar decisions no matter how we get there.
Also, this game didn't look all that physical to me and it wouldn't surprise me if Rut felt the same way.

I actually felt there were a lot of calls that should not have been made at all. So we agree once again. I better stop now before something else changes.

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Yeah, it shocked me too.
It appears that there is more than one route to the destination as we both end up making similar decisions no matter how we get there.
Also, this game didn't look all that physical to me and it wouldn't surprise me if Rut felt the same way.

Honestly, having watched the whole game I don't think it was overly physical, either. It's just that some of what wasn't called, especially early, was glaring for lack of a better word. I tried to pick plays and remove the fact I knew about the post-game complaints (hard, I know). Ultimately the goal was to let the general population give its assessment.

I think it's fair to say there were a few things early on that could've used whistles. I also think if they get some of those maybe the crew gets into a good groove and the game ends up being a little smoother. Example: the block-charge plays. There were a couple the crew did get later on that I thought were good calls (off the top of my head I think the first one that had a whistle was in the late 2nd or early 3rd). However those calls came after 4-5 no-calls on some heavy contact. If they get the first two then everybody knows what to expect and the kids probably stop trying to jump in at the last second on airborne shooters.

[fullor30]

On #7, which is an illegal screen, lead is stuck in mud and could have closed down at least and maybe picked it up, as C was wrapped up in 3 attempt and had only eyes for shooter.

A fellow official called me today after watching all of this an lamented these poor guys have worked their whole career to get this far and now have this game as a lasting memory.......ouch.