State Playoffs - Call or No Call

[Nevadaref]

I hope that the announcer was wrong and that the shot by #30 Red was ruled a 2, not a 3.
The collision along the sideline is a clear PC, but if I recall my chats with Camron correctly OR is 2-man for all games, so the Trail who is table side would be straight-lined and the Lead would have to come get this.
The Lead is then willing to call across and outside of the lane for marginal contact that results in game-winning FTs. I don't believe that the defender should have been penalized there.

[OKREF]

I've got a PC

[APG]

I've got a 3 man call there

[Camron Rust]

I've got either a hold or a block (take your pick) on red 30 long before the PC collision. If not for that, the dribbler would have been able to turn to avoid the 2nd defender.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've got either a hold or a block (take your pick) on red 30 long before the PC collision. If not for that, the dribbler would have been able to turn to avoid the 2nd defender.

I thought that also, but after watching it a couple of times, doesn't look like a foul on 30 to me. It is close, I will give you that.

[deecee]

PC and a no call on the shot.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I thought that also, but after watching it a couple of times, doesn't look like a foul on 30 to me. It is close, I will give you that.

I think she was impeding the dribbler's movement from the E on Coliseum to about the L....leaning into her and restricting her freedom of movement with her arm.

I'm also a bit surprised that the dribbler stayed inbounds after the collision.

I also think that the camera angle really hides the amount of contact the defender caused on that shooter. The lead had a near perfect angle to see between those players. Looking at the body action of the shooter, it suggests she was rerouted by the contact making the shot more difficult.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think she was impeding the dribbler's movement from the E on Coliseum to about the L....leaning into her and restricting her freedom of movement with her arm.

I'm also a bit surprised that the dribbler stayed inbounds after the collision.

I also think that the camera angle really hides the amount of contact the defender caused on that shooter. The lead had a near perfect angle to see between those players. Looking at the body action of the shooter, it suggests she was rerouted by the contact making the shot more difficult.

I usually agree with pretty much all your posts but not here. The dribbler doesn't ever appear to try and change directions (the girl is going north south the whole way). There is little to no contact by #30 and she is moving with the defender.

The PC is a blatant miss and the call that was made was bad IMO because the shooter keeps moving in the same direction and the contact by #30 here again is minimal to none. If the shooter had changed directions towards the basket then ya maybe, but the contact wasn't there IMO. Overall this sequence looks bad but we have all had games that if we analyze one sequence it won't look good on us as a crew.

This unfortunately decided the game.

[Blindolbat]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I think she was impeding the dribbler's movement from the E on Coliseum to about the L....leaning into her and restricting her freedom of movement with her arm.

I'm also a bit surprised that the dribbler stayed inbounds after the collision.

I also think that the camera angle really hides the amount of contact the defender caused on that shooter. The lead had a near perfect angle to see between those players. Looking at the body action of the shooter, it suggests she was rerouted by the contact making the shot more difficult.

Just focused on the shooting foul. I don't see the lead having good position at all on this. Game situation is clock is under 3 seconds. I think should've been all the way cross the key there to have a good angle on the play. If there is a cross court pass to someone on the other side then the clock's gonna expire.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've got either a hold or a block (take your pick) on red 30 long before the PC collision. If not for that, the dribbler would have been able to turn to avoid the 2nd defender.

Not in that situation. The dribbler is moving toward the sideline. It does not look like she was being pushed or guided in by the defense.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've got either a hold or a block (take your pick) on red 30 long before the PC collision. If not for that, the dribbler would have been able to turn to avoid the 2nd defender.

No way. The dribbler is being legally sealed off -- she has no intention of coming back to the center of the floor.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

No way. The dribbler is being legally sealed off -- she has no intention of coming back to the center of the floor.

+1000 on No way...... Good defense

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

+1000 on No way...... Good defense

I can buy passing on it but is is far from good or legal defense.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I hope that the announcer was wrong and that the shot by #30 Red was ruled a 2, not a 3.
The collision along the sideline is a clear PC, but if I recall my chats with Camron correctly OR is 2-man for all games, so the Trail who is table side would be straight-lined and the Lead would have to come get this.
The Lead is then willing to call across and outside of the lane for marginal contact that results in game-winning FTs. I don't believe that the defender should have been penalized there.

I still work a fair amount of 2-man and I know that as the L I would hope I'd come get this.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rich

I still work a fair amount of 2-man and I know that as the L I would hope I'd come get this.

Are you talking about the crash or the shooting foul?

My criticism of the Lead isn't that he called a shooting foul, but that he was willing to come out of his PCA to penalize that contact yet wasn't willing to come save the day on the much more obvious crash.

My guess as to why is that he ran all the way down to the endline prematurely during this action. That positioning put him far away from the sideline crash and made him reluctant to whistle. He should have been FTLE at the time of the crash and then hustled down to the normal close-down Lead position should the dribbler have gotten past the defenders cleanly.

One can only set up early and receive the play as Lead in 3-man.