"Continuous" issues...

[JetMetFan]

I clipped these from some of the H.S. tournament games being shown on ESPN the past few days. IMO all five plays should have resulted in A1 receiving FTs but none of them did.

1. Thoughts?

2. This isn't to get on these officials. Watching the plays made me wonder if we, as a whole, adjudicate continuous motion as well as we should at the H.S. level and if not, why.

[CosaNostra4Life]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

I clipped these from some of the H.S. tournament games being shown on ESPN the past few days. IMO all five plays should have resulted in A1 receiving FTs but none of them did.

1. Thoughts?

2. This isn't to get on these officials. Watching the plays made me wonder if we, as a whole, adjudicate continuous motion as well as we should at the H.S. level and if not, why.

Most def all should've been shooting fouls.

[Drizzle]

The only one I thought was even close was #3 - send them to the line!

[APG]

None of those are close IMO...all in the act of shooting. If I'm one of the calling officials in the double whistle plays, I'm telling my partner that I have those fouls in the act.

Too many officials view these type of plays and ruling them in the act as "NBA calls" and automatically take the ball out of bounds.

[CosaNostra4Life]

Originally Posted by APG

None of those are close IMO...all in the act of shooting.

Too many officials view these type of plays and ruling them in the act as "NBA calls" and automatically take the ball out of bounds.

I totally agree!

[Bad Zebra]

Agree on all 5. Additionally, calling officials in 2 and 5 are in terrible position to make the calls.

[Camron Rust]

1, 2, 4, and 5 are certainly shooting fouls. 3 probably is but is the only one that may not have been at the time of the actual foul....too close to say on that one.

[chapmaja]

#1, #2, #5 are definitely shooting fouls. The only thing I can see the officials ruling in #5 is he was passing the ball to the trailer, but I think the ball is "blocked" back to him, rather than passed back.

#3 Likely is because she is gathering to go up when the contact is made.

#4 I'm not as sure about, because it looks like the defender pushes the post player in the back before he even makes his pivot. If this is what the official calls (with a late whistle), then it is one the floor. If it was when he pivoted, which also definitely occurs, then it should have been shooting. It's either a late whistle or a bad call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

#4 I'm not as sure about, because it looks like the defender pushes the post player in the back before he even makes his pivot. If this is what the official calls (with a late whistle), then it is one the floor. If it was when he pivoted, which also definitely occurs, then it should have been shooting. It's either a late whistle or a bad call.

But there is no such thing. You are either in the shooting motion or you are not. It would help if we could ask the official and maybe that is what they saw, but I give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter when I can.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

#1, #2, #5 are definitely shooting fouls. The only thing I can see the officials ruling in #5 is he was passing the ball to the trailer, but I think the ball is "blocked" back to him, rather than passed back.

#3 Likely is because she is gathering to go up when the contact is made.

#4 I'm not as sure about, because it looks like the defender pushes the post player in the back before he even makes his pivot. If this is what the official calls (with a late whistle), then it is one the floor. If it was when he pivoted, which also definitely occurs, then it should have been shooting. It's either a late whistle or a bad call.

Sure, he was on the floor, but he was shooting. I would advise you to eliminate this phrase from your vocabulary with regard to calling fouls. Either you're misunderstanding the rule, or (more likely) you're using the term "On the floor" to mean "before the shot." In that case, what are you going to do when you call a shooting foul on the other end when the shooter was on the floor?

As for whether this was a late whistle. It probably was, but it's still a bad call, IMO. You don't want to get that push. And if you do, you have to get it fast. If you need to get this push because of previous actions that may escalate, a patient whistle is not your friend in that rare case.

[fullor30]

Coach "he wasn't shooting"

He was attempting to but the foul prevented him

#3 I'd listen to an argument but she's in the act. In all cases a patient whistle would have had the correct call, especially 5. Calling official might be calling slight push, rather than see play through and make proper call.

When a player gathers a ball off a dribble where else are they going with it.

Great examples, thanks!

[Brad]

1. Borderline
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes