Cal v Ore

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

ok. What would make you go with a Flag 2 on a similar play? what would make it flag 1 or 2 in your book? what do you need to see? real question. no sarcasm. i just think intent can get you into trouble without contact. a punch or kick is flag 2 without contact. you intended to hit or kick that player even though you didn't thought?

First of all a punch and a kick are two different things and fit a different definition that could result in a FF2. This was a basketball play and a because all contact at the NCAA level with the elbows above the shoulders are FFs, then this just fits the definition. But this was not savage in nature or even out of bounds from a common sense point of view.

Here are the definitions.

c. Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul shall be a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent while playing the ball;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;
4. Fouling a player clearly away from the ball who is not directly involved with the play, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting; and
5. Contact with a player making a throw-in. (Women) This act shall also serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary. (See Rule 4-17.1.g.)
6. Illegal contact with an elbow that occurs above the shoulders of an opponent when the elbows are not swung excessively per 4-36.7.a.


d. Flagrant 2 personal foul. A flagrant 2 personal foul shall be a personal foul that involves contact with an opponent that is not only excessive, but also severe or extreme while the ball is live.

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