Cal v Ore

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not recall that you were on the game, so you were asking a question if anyone felt that it was a FF2 right?

Peace

not that play. it was ff1 all the way. my question was if you could clearly see some one was throwing the elbow on purpose and made contact, ( similar to post) that would not be enought for u to upgrade to ff2. the contact would have to be severe in nature. just because he was trying to elbow him in the head is not enough. You cannot use intent to get that call. I get it now. just fail to understand why i have no common sense

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

not that play. it was ff1 all the way. my question was if you could clearly see some one was throwing the elbow on purpose and made contact, ( similar to post) that would not be enought for u to upgrade to ff2. the contact would have to be severe in nature. just because he was trying to elbow him in the head is not enough. You cannot use intent to get that call. I get it now. just fail to understand why i have no common sense

It is the action, not the intent or lack there of. The player can hit someone in the face with an elbow and it could be accidental and be a FF1 or 2.

And your lack of common sense is something you will have to evaluate. I just said that an official with common sense would not look at this on video and say, "That was a FF2." Now since you were not reviewing the play in this particular game and making a decision (same as me), not sure why the common sense part of my stance applied to you at all? But then again is the day in the life of people on this board, personalize everything.

Peace

[Lotto]

Art 2. Officials may use such available equipment [Replay/Television Equipment] only in the following situations:
d. Fouls.
1. Determine if a flagrant 2 personal foul, flagrant 2 contact technical foul or (women) flagrant 1 personal foul for illegal contact with an elbow above the shoulders of an opponent or a (women) contact dead ball technical foul for illegal contact with an elbow above the shoulders of an opponent occurred. When it is determined that a flagrant 2 contact technical foul did not occur but a flagrant 1 personal foul, or contact dead ball technical foul did occur, those fouls shall be penalized accordingly. However, no other infractions may be penalized.
a. When there is a foul called for contact, the officials, with a plausible reason, may review the severity of that foul during the dead ball period following the call. When the ball becomes live, there shall be no review of the made call.
b. A coach may request a monitor review to determine if any of the fouls in 2-13.2.d.1 occurred. When no such foul is assessed, a timeout shall be charged to that team.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

not that play. it was ff1 all the way. my question was if you could clearly see some one was throwing the elbow on purpose and made contact, ( similar to post) that would not be enought for u to upgrade to ff2. the contact would have to be severe in nature. just because he was trying to elbow him in the head is not enough. You cannot use intent to get that call. I get it now. just fail to understand why i have no common sense

Yes you can. If there's intent to strike, then get the FF2. Or, if the elbows are swung excessively (meaning faster than the torso; using the shoulders as a pivot), and there's contact above the shoulders.

This play was a FF1.