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Old Thu Feb 21, 2013, 09:38pm
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Duke/VT Kick?

9:25 1st. Duke player on the floor and pulls the ball toward himself with his feet. I've called this Violation 4-5 times this year in V Games. Yet time and time again I see the D1 guys passing on this and it ultimately becomes a Jump Ball. Am I missing something?
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:05pm
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Nope, you're not missing anything. They are.
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Old Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:26pm
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I think they missed a push which is why the Duke player was on the floor in the first place!
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 07:48am
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I hope to post it whenever I get home but I just watched it and...wow. Why didn't he just dribble the ball with his feet, too?
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 08:17am
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I hope to post it whenever I get home but I just watched it and...wow. Why didn't he just dribble the ball with his feet, too?
He would if this were soccer!
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 09:34am
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I can envision that same play happening tonight and I call kick. Coach says "That's not a kick it happened last night in Duke game and it was a no call"
Sorry Coach I'm not a D1 official
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:01am
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Plenty more from that game tape

Coach K has his standard answer when asked why other teams and programs have so much envy or dislike of Duke, by saying "well, we've won so much", to which I say, "no you keep getting questionable calls". Besides the kick in the OP, I offer:

1) PCF on VT player at about 9:20 first half

2) About 3 min later in a very similar play on other end, block on VT

Now, obviously this had nothing to do with the games outcome (Duke would have been better off staying in Durham and having an intersquad scrimmage), and I may very well be wrong on these, but with only one replay via tv after each play, it sure looked bad. I have not looked back at it this morning, and cannot post a video, but perhaps if JMF is finding the possible foot violation, he can get these "kicks" too
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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 10:07am
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I can envision that same play happening tonight and I call kick. Coach says "That's not a kick it happened last night in Duke game and it was a no call"
Sorry Coach I'm not a D1 official
I have watched games at the HS level where that was not called. Actually I see it not called often in games I am not associated with at all. Again, let us not act like HS officials are so competent and pure.

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Old Fri Feb 22, 2013, 02:01pm
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I think they missed a push which is why the Duke player was on the floor in the first place!
Isn't that the only way a Duke player gets on the floor? When pushed by the opponent?
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:10pm
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Here's the kick ball situation...

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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 12:33pm
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And the second Duke guy rolled from front to back with it after recovering the ball.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:21pm
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Oh my. Not to question the integrity of these guys but at the D1 level to not call that kick and then to let the player roll from belly to back with the ball and not have a call. If it's not integrity then its incompetence. Either way its something starting with an "in".
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 04:28pm
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Oh my. Not to question the integrity of these guys but at the D1 level to not call that kick and then to let the player roll from belly to back with the ball and not have a call. If it's not integrity then its incompetence. Either way its something starting with an "in".
I don't know that it is either of those...it is just some officials look for anyway they can to wiggle out of making a call at all even though it really isn't that complicated. Some find it easier to pass on a close call even though it would be the right call. Why? They like taking the easier road where they can slough it off rather than have to step up and make a decision.
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Old Sat Feb 23, 2013, 08:24pm
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Entirely possible neither official could see (or thought to look to see) if the "kick" was inentional and not inadvertant.

Foul on the white player in the nearer side during the rebound?
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