Neither jumper jumps
 

Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Double player technicals?

To start a game?? Even if this is OT, what kind of strange stategy is this? How about rather than I toss it between you two, I'll just throw it off one of you and then see what happens:eek:

Coin toss?

Oh wait, that's already been proposed.

Bat the ball off of one of the players ;)

When you toss the ball and it comes down on the floor, grab it and go make a layup. Tell them you're going to continue to do this until they jump. Either they'll jump the next time, or you'll win the game!

Seriously though, does this fall under "actionless contest"?

That would be interesting, but we'd still have a jump ball afterwards.

I was thinking more 10-1, Art 5
 

Team Technicals:

Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or
from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play
procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The
procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific
situations.

Of course, as Rich points out, if you do this, now what?

Jump again. Double T again if you have to. Is this T indirect to the coach? 3 of those, and we have new head coaches, right?

Nope no indirects

After you get tired of throwing the ball without anyone jumping, just call a violation on one of the non-jumpers, award the other team the ball, and set the arrow that way. Even if you have to make up a violation it will work, the coaches dont have any idea what is or isnt a violation during the jump ball.:D

Funny.

And true (and therefore sad) at the same time.

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I spent a wasted few minutes trying to explain to a partner why yelling out "hold your spots" to all the nonjumpers was not a smart thing to do.

He thinks I'm an idiot, I'm guessing.

Call 2 new players in for the face-off.

Yeah, but they'd be pretty motivated to jump, wouldn't they? Nobody wants to pick up his/her 2nd technical before the game even gets going.

Using my designations above...
Why wouldn't/couldn't Team B just have their jumper tip the ball to a Team A player to avoid "playing into that game"?

Not that we can tell the players what to do, of course...

This gets my vote!

I don't buy this as a player technical, BTW, unless we're calling that for disobeying a directive of an official...

Ensure you make the linesman ejection from the faceoff spot point, too.

I think a Double T on both jumpers would convince somebody to jump.

And pi$$ off both coaches. You may even get to follow it with simultaneous Ts on both coaches. 2 team fouls each, no shots, rejump, and seatbelts for everyone.

I'm not sure what other reason you'd be calling a technical. Charging it to the player ensures a way out of the problem. Either someone's going to jump or the team with the fewest players is going to forfeit.

10-3-5-a???

"A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play."

So once we toss and they don't jump, we readminister and direct them both to jump...if they still won't jump, it seems like that falls under 10-3-5, no?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's exactly what it's for. If you don't like it (and I can see not liking it...)

What would your solution be?

Not understanding why "this scenario is possible in a postseason game", anymore so than any other game??

Only because of the specifics of the two teams. Could have happened in the regular season, too, if the teams had played each other (and if the coach of the jumping team decided not to play.)

Personally, I like the coaching decision of having your jumper tip the ball directly to the opponent, or out of bounds, or just have him grab it.

Even better, if the jump is uncontested, that gives you more latitude to set up a play allowing you to tap it into your front court.

Heck, have a player head toward your basket and hit it all the way down the court for an uncontested layup!

When I coached, we had a play where A1 taps it back to A2 on the cirlce, who immediately baseball throws it to a breaking A3 for a layup (ok, these kids were 13), but it worked almost every time we won the tap and took all of 5-6 secs.

Still, if the whole point of the trap is to ultimately gain possesion of the ball, why not tell a non-jumper to wait until it hits one of the jumpers and then grab it (I'm guessing if both coaches have told their jumpers not to jump, the others are not in a hurry to do anything either) That's why I said earlier, if I see this once (tossed it and neither jumped) the retoss is going up and over on one of them and my U better not blow it back.

Because they want the ball AND the arrow.

aha...yes I hear it's quite popular these days:rolleyes:

I don't know if anyone else has implied or mentioned this, but what if you just throw it up, let it come down and hit the floor and then just stand there with your arms folded? :)

If no one picks the ball up, then lay down on the floor like you're taking a nap. ;)

Don't think so. The ball becomes live and put in play when the official tosses the ball. So, they've not prevented that.

However, I could go with the "similar acts" element of that article.

I'm probably just going to toss it so that it touches one of them. :)

That's a good point and also why the team technical provision really doesn't apply, either.

Strange, strange question. I'm just hopeful I don't see this happen from the court.

I'm getting to this late, but I'm confused. They didn't jump? Or they didn't tap / touch the ball? I think it's only the second that's required.

And, I agree with the double direct T approach. If that doesn't work, then direct T's on the coaches. Use 2-3 if needed.

The ball is live when it leaves the official'hands...it is not in play until one or both jumpers tap the tossed ball. No other players are allowed to touch it, so it can't be considered in play.

Weird situation. I will be interested to hear if it actually happens.

I suppose you could read "in play" to mean that since it is not explicitly defined anywhere. I think there are enough references in the book that could lead to either conclusion....not that it matters very much.

I see "in play" as meaning someone CAN do something with it.

Delay Of Game ...
 

Does this fall under the delay of game warning protocol? After the first toss, they are warned. Same thing after the second toss results in a double technical foul. Now if there are any subsequent delays, i.e. water on the floor after a timeout, has the team already been warned for one delay of game and thus, is immediately assessed a technical foul for delay of game?

Still haven't figured out what happens if they do if a third time?

Billy you know better.

Do it again. They already have one T. The second one and they are gone.:cool:

Or you could puke on their shoes.

Isn't that the norm with white kids from Wisconsin?