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Mark Padgett Wed Feb 20, 2013 03:06pm
I don't know if anyone else has implied or mentioned this, but what if you just throw it up, let it come down and hit the floor and then just stand there with your arms folded? :)

If no one picks the ball up, then lay down on the floor like you're taking a nap. ;)

Camron Rust Wed Feb 20, 2013 03:06pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 880706)
10-3-5-a???

"A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play."

So once we toss and they don't jump, we readminister and direct them both to jump...if they still won't jump, it seems like that falls under 10-3-5, no?
Don't think so. The ball becomes live and put in play when the official tosses the ball. So, they've not prevented that.

However, I could go with the "similar acts" element of that article.

I'm probably just going to toss it so that it touches one of them. :)

Rich Wed Feb 20, 2013 03:21pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 880728)
Don't think so. The ball becomes live and put in play when the official tosses the ball. So, they've not prevented that.

However, I could go with the "similar acts" element of that article.

I'm probably just going to toss it so that it touches one of them. :)
That's a good point and also why the team technical provision really doesn't apply, either.

Strange, strange question. I'm just hopeful I don't see this happen from the court.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 21, 2013 08:40am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880634)
Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...
I'm getting to this late, but I'm confused. They didn't jump? Or they didn't tap / touch the ball? I think it's only the second that's required.

And, I agree with the double direct T approach. If that doesn't work, then direct T's on the coaches. Use 2-3 if needed.

rockyroad Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:03am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 880728)
Don't think so. The ball becomes live and put in play when the official tosses the ball. So, they've not prevented that.

However, I could go with the "similar acts" element of that article.

I'm probably just going to toss it so that it touches one of them. :)
The ball is live when it leaves the official'hands...it is not in play until one or both jumpers tap the tossed ball. No other players are allowed to touch it, so it can't be considered in play.

Weird situation. I will be interested to hear if it actually happens.

Camron Rust Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:50am
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 880891)
The ball is live when it leaves the official'hands...it is not in play until one or both jumpers tap the tossed ball. No other players are allowed to touch it, so it can't be considered in play.

Weird situation. I will be interested to hear if it actually happens.
I suppose you could read "in play" to mean that since it is not explicitly defined anywhere. I think there are enough references in the book that could lead to either conclusion....not that it matters very much.

I see "in play" as meaning someone CAN do something with it.
Quote:
SECTION 38 RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in play when...

SECTION 6 BALL IN PLAY BY FREE THROW
The ball shall be put in play by placing it at the disposal of the free thrower before each free throw.

BillyMac Thu Feb 21, 2013 05:47pm
Delay Of Game ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 880706)
"A player shall not: Delay the game by acts such as: Preventing the ball from being made live promptly or from being put in play." So once we toss and they don't jump, we readminister and direct them both to jump...if they still won't jump, it seems like that falls under 10-3-5.
Does this fall under the delay of game warning protocol? After the first toss, they are warned. Same thing after the second toss results in a double technical foul. Now if there are any subsequent delays, i.e. water on the floor after a timeout, has the team already been warned for one delay of game and thus, is immediately assessed a technical foul for delay of game?

Still haven't figured out what happens if they do if a third time?

Adam Thu Feb 21, 2013 08:19pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 881025)
Does this fall under the delay of game warning protocol? After the first toss, they are warned. Same thing after the second toss results in a double technical foul. Now if there are any subsequent delays, i.e. water on the floor after a timeout, has the team already been warned for one delay of game and thus, is immediately assessed a technical foul for delay of game?

Still haven't figured out what happens if they do if a third time?
Billy you know better.

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880661)
That would be interesting, but we'd still have a jump ball afterwards.
Do it again. They already have one T. The second one and they are gone.:cool:

26 Year Gap Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 880727)
I don't know if anyone else has implied or mentioned this, but what if you just throw it up, let it come down and hit the floor and then just stand there with your arms folded? :)

If no one picks the ball up, then lay down on the floor like you're taking a nap. ;)
Or you could puke on their shoes.

fullor30 Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich (Post 880634)
Question asked by a local official:

Suppose neither jumper jumps during the opening toss. The NOTE after 6-3-8 says that the jumpers will be ordered to jump if neither do. Suppose neither jump after being ordered to do so. What recourse does the R have?

Apparently, this scenario is possible in a postseason game because one team cedes the tip and uses the jumper and another player to trap the person who actually gets the ball. The other team has decided to not jump in order to not play into that game...

Isn't that the norm with white kids from Wisconsin?


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