Justified Technical?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Ok, I will not hesitate next time. I waited partially because I was trying to decide if it was T-worthy. I decided to call it once I remembered what someone else here said: "the only technicals I regret are the ones I didn't give".



I warned him for his comments to us. I gave him a reminder about staying in the coaching box, which I didn't see as intentional. He then gave me that line about the rules that apply to the game, which went beyond the previous warning for his comments. T.

The way I read your OP, you warned him about the box after he made further comments about your officiating. You should have given him a T here.

Nevada's advice is also solid. Note, persistent comments should normally be nipped in the bud as well.

Originally Posted by Adam

Note, persistent comments should normally be nipped in the bud as well.

Gotcha. In the first game, I did not give him a technical because he did not say anything worthy of one. However, his comments were devolving from simply comments to something more personal. Should I have spoken with him before the second game and let him know continued comments would not be tolerated?

Originally Posted by Adam

The way I read your OP, you warned him about the box after he made further comments about your officiating. You should have given him a T here.

When I reminded him about staying in the box, he asked if I was serious. After the game, the timer (who was affiliated with his team) politely asked if I had issued a technical because of the coach not staying in his box. I said no, and explained why. The feeling I got from the coach and the timer was that if I had called a tech for the coaching box thing, then that would have been seen as a "BS tech" from them, and something they could go to the tournament director with. I know it's a rule, but is issuing a technical for straying outside the coaches box really something worth having to deal with the tournament director/my assigner about?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Gotcha. In the first game, I did not give him a technical because he did not say anything worthy of one. However, his comments were devolving from simply comments to something more personal. Should I have spoken with him before the second game and let him know continued comments would not be tolerated?

Absolutely not.

Originally Posted by seanwestref

When I reminded him about staying in the box, he asked if I was serious. After the game, the timer (who was affiliated with his team) politely asked if I had issued a technical because of the coach not staying in his box. I said no, and explained why. The feeling I got from the coach and the timer was that if I had called a tech for the coaching box thing, then that would have been seen as a "BS tech" from them, and something they could go to the tournament director with. I know it's a rule, but is issuing a technical for straying outside the coaches box really something worth having to deal with the tournament director/my assigner about?

Frankly, I don't give a crap what the timer or coach thinks about a foul. The way I read your OP, here's the order of events I see:
1. Coach makes comments you deem worthy of addressing, so you warn him.
2. Coach is out of the box, making more comments that should have earned a T. Rather than give the T, you decide to warn him about the box.
3. Coach continues to make comments, so you give him the T.

I would have given him the T in step #2 above.

Normally, if a coach is out of the box making comments, I'll warn him to stay in the box. If he's already been warned for comments, though, he doesn't get another one just because he's breaking another rule I haven't addressed yet.

[maven]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Gotcha. In the first game, I did not give him a technical because he did not say anything worthy of one. However, his comments were devolving from simply comments to something more personal. Should I have spoken with him before the second game and let him know continued comments would not be tolerated?

Remember, Personal is just one of the T-worthy 3 P's.

[scrounge]

I had something similar earlier this year, except it was 1st half to 2nd half. One of the varsity officials (in our area, it's expected for varsity officials to be there at the start of the JV game and often come in the locker room at half) made a great point at halftime: if the coaches' comments are reaching the point where they're distracting you from doing your job, you can't let it go on.

In my case, there were continuous needling comments that wouldn't stop, none of which on their own were profane or personal but they certainly were distracting. The half ended with my partner giving a warning. After halftime, it started up again, at which time I gave a formal, "stop sign" warning myself (yea, I prob shouldn't done it, but I wanted to make extra sure there was no doubt). No more than 5 secs later, as I'm trail in the backcourt, he's up and *****ing again. T. Not a peep after that. In fact, the other coach who wasn't as bad but had some moments as well stopped yapping, and the players cleaned it up a bit (play-wise, nothing was ever said by them) as well. Now I can't be sure it was just because of the T...but it sure didn't hurt.

[BktBallRef]

#1, no, you should never talk to a coach about what may have happened in the previous game, whether the game was 10 minutes or 10 years ago.

#2, once you gave him the warning, you shouldn't have any other discussion with him unless it's in reply to a question that's respectfully asked.

#3, you don't owe the timer an explanation. A polite "No." and then resume the game.

Originally Posted by maven

Remember, Personal is just one of the T-worthy 3 P's.

What are the other two P's?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You are way too concerned about what coaches think.

Yeah, you are right.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

#3, you don't owe the timer an explanation. A polite "No." and then resume the game.

As I wrote, it was after the game. And he was respectful and polite about it, so I told him "No, the technical was for the comments", and left.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

What are the other two P's?

Profane. Persistent.

[APG]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

What are the other two P's?

Personal, profane, prolonged

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by seanwestref

Gotcha. In the first game, I did not give him a technical because he did not say anything worthy of one. However, his comments were devolving from simply comments to something more personal. Should I have spoken with him before the second game and let him know continued comments would not be tolerated?



When I reminded him about staying in the box, he asked if I was serious. After the game, the timer (who was affiliated with his team) politely asked if I had issued a technical because of the coach not staying in his box. I said no, and explained why. The feeling I got from the coach and the timer was that if I had called a tech for the coaching box thing, then that would have been seen as a "BS tech" from them, and something they could go to the tournament director with. I know it's a rule, but is issuing a technical for straying outside the coaches box really something worth having to deal with the tournament director/my assigner about?

You are way too concerned about what coaches think. Just referee your games. If a coach is out his box tell him he needs to return to it. If he is then out the box and making inappropriate comments then T his a$$ up and move on. And doesn't get an explanation afterwards.