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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:42pm
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On game start jump ball....ball is tipped to frontcourt to player where he control tips it to backcourt to teammate..is this over and back???? I say yes.
What needs to happen for there to be a backcourt violation? Also, look at rule 4-12.

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Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, a jump ball or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:44pm
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Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, a jump ball or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal
But the "jump ball" ended when it was touched by a non-jumper. 6-3-8.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:47pm
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But the "jump ball" ended when it was touched by a non-jumper. 6-3-8.
True ... but I wasn't trying to suggest that as the only criteria. Just an extra little caveat.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:48pm
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But the "jump ball" ended when it was touched by a non-jumper. 6-3-8.
True, but when does control get established?
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:50pm
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I wouldn't have a backcourt violation.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:32pm
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True, but when does control get established?
I wasn't trying to imply there'd be a backcourt, I say tip is not enough for control.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:37pm
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I wasn't trying to imply there'd be a backcourt, I say tip is not enough for control.
I was simply pointing out the intent behind PG's reference.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:48pm
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If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:52pm
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If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

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Intent has nothing to do with it...players intentionally bat rebounds into the backcourt all the time and no one would imagine calling a backcourt violation there if a teammate were to recover the ball (and rightfully so).

The only question is as to whether there is player control or not is whether the player was dribbling (no pertinent in this play) or holding the ball.
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Old Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:53pm
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If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

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That's a nice, generic use of the word "control", but it is not the basketball definition of "control".

If you're going to use your definition of control, then we would have to say the initial tap by the jumper established team control.
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If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

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I'm betting you don't have a rule book.
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Old Sat Feb 16, 2013, 02:12pm
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If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

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The only time I would try and gather intent was if I was debating between intentional flagrant foul and a simple intentional foul.
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