Over and back???
 

On game start jump ball....ball is tipped to frontcourt to player where he control tips it to backcourt to teammate..is this over and back???? I say yes.

You posted this using your smart phone, didn't you?

There's no such thing as a "control tip." If he didn't hold it, he didn't have control, thus a legal play.

What needs to happen for there to be a backcourt violation? Also, look at rule 4-12.

Rule 4-12

ART. 6

Neither team control nor player control exists during a dead ball, a jump ball or when the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal

But the "jump ball" ended when it was touched by a non-jumper. 6-3-8.

True ... but I wasn't trying to suggest that as the only criteria. Just an extra little caveat.

True, but when does control get established?

I wouldn't have a backcourt violation.

I wasn't trying to imply there'd be a backcourt, I say tip is not enough for control.

I was simply pointing out the intent behind PG's reference.

If he/she intentionally pushed the ball to the back court, it is control. The ball went where the player intended.

Over and Back

Intent has nothing to do with it...players intentionally bat rebounds into the backcourt all the time and no one would imagine calling a backcourt violation there if a teammate were to recover the ball (and rightfully so).

The only question is as to whether there is player control or not is whether the player was dribbling (no pertinent in this play) or holding the ball.

That's a nice, generic use of the word "control", but it is not the basketball definition of "control".

If you're going to use your definition of control, then we would have to say the initial tap by the jumper established team control.

"Control Tip" LOL.... like "Slap bunt" in softball. Two words, mutually exclusive, jammed together to describe something near the border of both.

A slap is not a bunt - it is a type of hit. A bunt cannot be a slap.

A tip is not a type of control - it is the absence of control. Control means possession, and cannot be a tip.

Tips, no. Catches and passes, yes.