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BillyMac Thu Feb 14, 2013 07:42am

Exact Words ...
 
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 879267)
"The whistle rarely makes the ball dead, it is already dead."

16. The official’s whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead (it is already dead).

JRutledge Thu Feb 14, 2013 08:00am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 879307)
I officiate with the rule book. I don't have a bronzed copy sitting on a pedestal.

LOL!!!

IKR.

Peace

JRutledge Thu Feb 14, 2013 08:03am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 879310)
You, and nobody else follows the rules, 100%, all the time. Unless you're saying you call a 3 second violation at exactly 3 seconds...even if a player has just a heel in the paint. Just saying.

Or better yet he calls a 3 seconds with a toe or heal on the line that only he can see and is not doing anything to get out of the lane. Because that is also the rule and I know he and no one applies the rules that tight. I just love the holier than thou positions some take when they want to act like they know more than the rest of us.

Peace

ronny mulkey Thu Feb 14, 2013 08:51am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 879319)
I'd have no issue telling the coach that BY RULE the clock stops when the whistle sounds, and he/she needs to account for the reaction time of the official when requesting a time-out.

I think coaches need to be a liitle more tolerant of my reaction time, as well. But, I have no problem hearing a request, glancing at the clock to note the time, blowing my whistle and putting the time BACK to my notation. Of course, I don't do this at at the 2:23 mark of the first period, either.

I'm not going to punish a properly requested T.O. because I spit my whistle out of my mouth and couldn't alert the timekeeper. I think there is enough verbiage in the rulebook i.e. "the whistle seldom causes the ball to become dead", "spirit of the rules", etc.

In Georgia, we have a RULE - no free throws are shot with no time on the clock 0:00. You must put time back up there if you clearly heard your whistle before the horn.

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 08:57am

That Georgia rule clearly contradicts Fed rules.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:00am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 879312)
5 seconds left A1 makes a bucket to go up by 1. You hear timout 3 times quickly by B Coach immediatley. You have definate knowledge that the request was made at 5.o seconds on the clock. You turn and verify that it is indeed the coach who has made the request. Whistle at 3.8 sec and then timer gets clock stopped at 3.2. What are you going to do in this sitch? Would anyone put time back to 5 or at least 3.8?

It shouldn't take 1.2 seconds (or two seconds in some other example in this thread) to validate the TO.

Certainly with 5 seconds left in the game, you should be attuned to the possibility (or probablity) of a request and be able to recognize the coaches voice (or maybe even be looking at him / her as soon as the ball is through the hoop).

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:02am

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Originally Posted by seanwestref (Post 879311)
So this is ok? I had a game recently where a coach asked for a timeout. It took me almost two seconds to blow the whistle, cuz I was checking to make sure I could. The coach sarcastically laughed at me and asked "what took you so long, did you not hear me?" It was not a time-saving situation, so an extra two seconds running off didn't matter, but his reaction struck me as strange.

Had a coach the other day yell at his point guard all the way down the floor, "Take your time! Take your time!". Then, he got mad and glared at me when it took a second to realize he had changed to calling "Time! Time! Time!"

He also got mad at my partner later when she didn't call a travel....fast enough. One of those weird ones that your whistle pauses while your brain says, "did he really do that?"

bob jenkins Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:03am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 879249)
And that is why a lot of people do the consider this an inadvertant whislte and no one cares except for those that have little common sense. The NCAA rule is different for this reason.

Peace

I must be missing something (besides my coffee). How is the NCAA rule different in this situation?

Eastshire Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:07am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879339)
Had a coach the other day yell at his point guard all the way down the floor, "Take your time! Take your time!". Then, he got mad and glared at me when it took a second to realize he had changed to calling "Time! Time! Time!"

He also got mad at my partner later when she didn't call a travel....fast enough. One of those weird ones that your whistle pauses while your brain says, "did he really do that?"

Last season I tried to grant a time out when the coach yelled "Five out" just as I passed in front of him.

ronny mulkey Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:23am

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 879337)
That Georgia rule clearly contradicts Fed rules.

Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

Adam Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:28am

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Originally Posted by ronny mulkey (Post 879351)
Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

Fair enough, but the rule makes sense with replay available. Kind of. An airborne shooter could be fouled after the horn. You guys have to ignore those?

Welpe Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:38am

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Originally Posted by ronny mulkey (Post 879351)
Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:40am

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Originally Posted by ronny mulkey (Post 879351)
Understood. Officiating here is ran by a former Women's college guy and have a lot of Women influence in other leadership areas. For example, we use Women's floor coverage area instead of Fed coverage. The time "remaining time" guideline comes out of the Women's side.

Unless there's a monitor, then the rule as you've described it contradicts the NCAAW rule as well.

Raymond Thu Feb 14, 2013 09:49am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 879317)
What do you tell the coach who says, I was calling time out right at 5 seconds. You obviously heard me. Why do we only get 3.8 seconds?

Tell the coach the purchase a PTS for his gymnasium and he will cut down on those seconds lost. :rolleyes:

This coach probably has a college degree yet feels justified in asking such a stupid question.

Eastshire Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:16am

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 879358)
I'm not directing this at you so much as I'm just saying it but it is one thing to adopt some philosophies based upon your upbringing, so to speak, but it's another to flat out ignore rules. I don't like that at all.

When it's coming from the head of a state association, it's not ignoring rules so much as changing rules. And presumably, Georgia has forfeited it's input to the NFHS rules committees for not fully adopting the NFHS rules.


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