Louisville @ Notre Dame, Rich's Video Request #2

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BLydic

Two travels on 0? I don't know ... I can see one, but the other would be considered ticky tacky at this level.

I didn't say I'd call the first one -- I wouldn't. I don't go looking for travels that aren't obvious.

But the second one? I think that falls into the obvious category, at least for me it does.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

I didn't say I'd call the first one -- I wouldn't. I don't go looking for travels that aren't obvious.

But the second one? I think that falls into the obvious category, at least for me it does.

I'm not saying I woul call the first one either, or the one on #1, but the second one by 0 has to be called.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I'm not saying I woul call the first one either, or the one on #1, but the second one by 0 has to be called.

I don't think #1 traveled.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

I don't think #1 traveled.

Look at it again. Clearly has ball with left foot one the floor, steps with right, picks up left and returns it to floor.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Look at it again.

If you're talking about the toe of #1's pivot foot *maybe* coming off the floor and coming back down, that's not a nit I'd even entertain picking.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Rich

If you're talking about the toe of #1's pivot foot *maybe* coming off the floor and coming back down, that's not a nit I'd even entertain picking.

Didn't say I would either. But IMO his whole foot comes off the floor. Just answering the OP for how many I see.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Look at it again. Clearly has ball with left foot one the floor, steps with right, picks up left and returns it to floor.

I don't think you can say that, his body is between the camera and the ball and it's not clear when he actually possesses it. I'm with Rich, too small of a nit to try and pick.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Rich

I didn't say I'd call the first one -- I wouldn't. I don't go looking for travels that aren't obvious.

But the second one? I think that falls into the obvious category, at least for me it does.

Agreed.

It seems that non travel calls which are business as usual in NBA have seeped into the college game and are as about frequent as a three second call. First one I would pass on but two? C'mon.

[jump stop]

Technically Player #0 does travel when he goes across the lane :
He gathered the ball with one foot on floor(left foot) , jumped off of this foot, but did not land simultneously on 2 feet

This play is called a travel only about 1/100 times in a D1 game and rightfully so. Does anyone actually land simultaneously on 2 feet??? Did he gather with one foot on floor or gather with both feet in air (if so he doesn't have to land simultaneously).

I think the bottom line for D1 officials as far as the travel call goes is; if you are not 100% sure don't call it. You will not see a call on the jump stop for not landing simultaneously.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Technically Player #0 does travel when he goes across the lane :
He gathered the ball with one foot on floor(left foot) , jumped off of this foot, but did not land simultneously on 2 feet

This play is called a travel only about 1/100 times in a D1 game and rightfully so. Does anyone actually land simultaneously on 2 feet??? Did he gather with one foot on floor or gather with both feet in air (if so he doesn't have to land simultaneously).

I think the bottom line for D1 officials as far as the travel call goes is; if you are not 100% sure don't call it. You will not see a call on the jump stop for not landing simultaneously.

Yes, it is a travel. I know our state association has made it very clear. Unless you land simultaneously on a jump stop it is a travel and should be called as such.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Technically Player #0 does travel when he goes across the lane :
He gathered the ball with one foot on floor(left foot) , jumped off of this foot, but did not land simultneously on 2 feet

This play is called a travel only about 1/100 times in a D1 game and rightfully so. Does anyone actually land simultaneously on 2 feet??? Did he gather with one foot on floor or gather with both feet in air (if so he doesn't have to land simultaneously).

I think the bottom line for D1 officials as far as the travel call goes is; if you are not 100% sure don't call it. You will not see a call on the jump stop for not landing simultaneously.

Almost simultaneously is far different from what we see in this video.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by jump stop

Technically Player #0 does travel when he goes across the lane :
He gathered the ball with one foot on floor(left foot) , jumped off of this foot, but did not land simultneously on 2 feet

This play is called a travel only about 1/100 times in a D1 game and rightfully so. Does anyone actually land simultaneously on 2 feet??? Did he gather with one foot on floor or gather with both feet in air (if so he doesn't have to land simultaneously).

I think the bottom line for D1 officials as far as the travel call goes is; if you are not 100% sure don't call it. You will not see a call on the jump stop for not landing simultaneously.

I think about 1/100 of this post is NOT BS.

What does both this play have to do with a jump stop?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I think about 1/100 of this post is NOT BS.

What does both this play have to do with a jump stop?

Big fat Zero

[jump stop]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

I think about 1/100 of this post is NOT BS.

What does both this play have to do with a jump stop?

In my opinion you could use 2 rules to interpret the violation:

1st). Sec44 Art2.b.

. . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
.
If one foot is on the floor:
It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

2nd) Art. 3. A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot; When one foot is on the playing court:


You are correct the word "jump stop" is not in the rule book but this is the move "0" seems to be attempting rather than your typical "layup"
So , as far as breaking the rules he either: 1)didn't land simultaneously or 2) picked up pivot foot and returned to floor before passing or shooting

The real point is why didn't they call a violation: obviously these are 3 primetime officials or they wouldn't be working this game. None called a violation. So I try to get into the mind of why these high level officials only call this move a travel 1/100 times. I think it is because they question when the ball was gathered and don't split hairs on landing simultaneously.

So, like it or not , they typically let this go. Peyton Sive from Louisville will make this move 5 or 6 times a game and rarely does he land simultaneously.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jump stop

In my opinion you could use 2 rules to interpret the violation:

1st). Sec44 Art2.b.

. . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:
.
If one foot is on the floor:
It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

2nd) Art. 3. A player who catches the ball while moving or dribbling may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows:
On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot; When one foot is on the playing court:


You are correct the word "jump stop" is not in the rule book but this is the move "0" seems to be attempting rather than your typical "layup"
So , as far as breaking the rules he either: 1)didn't land simultaneously or 2) picked up pivot foot and returned to floor before passing or shooting

The real point is why didn't they call a violation: obviously these are 3 primetime officials or they wouldn't be working this game. None called a violation. So I try to get into the mind of why these high level officials only call this move a travel 1/100 times. I think it is because they question when the ball was gathered and don't split hairs on landing simultaneously.

So, like it or not , they typically let this go. Peyton Sive from Louisville will make this move 5 or 6 times a game and rarely does he land simultaneously.

Our association has told us that no matter when the ball is gathered, either before jumping or after jumping, it is a travel if they don't land simultaneously.