Minimum time elapsed?

[letemplay]

We know the rule tells us with .3 or less a player may only tap for a try and that if such a player in this situation catches or holds the ball, those .3 has elapsed and play is over. Would the same hold true for a player catching a ball and trying to call a time out at the same time? In other words, is there some standard most of you use in this play: With 2 seconds left in game, A1 has a spot throw in from B's endline, and is attempting to make a pass at least into A's frontcourt and call an immediate time out. A2 receives the pass just beyond midcourt and immediately (along with A HC and most players) is yelling for the TO. The clock shows 1.2 left now, but HC is arguing much less time should have come off. If .3 is too short to control the ball for a try, would it stand to reason that at least .4 would have to elapse at a bare minimum in order for a player to control and a team to call a TO? Do we generally just leave these cases up to timer? He cuts it on when it's touched and off when he hears the whistle and we live by whatever is showing? Wonder if this happens enough if we would have a standard runoff of say .5 in these sitches?

[bob jenkins]

Only covered under the "definite knowledge" portion of the rules. Could be .3, could be 1.3.

[jTheUmp]

Definite knowledge is required to add/subtract time on the clock. So, unless you have definite knowledge, you go with whatever the timer did.

[Scrapper1]

I believe the NBA has a rule that says a certain amount of time MUST come off the clock when the ball is legally touched. I could be wrong; I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.

Hmmm, just looked through the online NBA rule book and didn't see it in there. Guess you can disregard this post. Sorry.

[Adam]

Even if there was a rule for minimum elapsed time in these situation, I've never heard of a rule for maximum elapsed time.

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

Even if there was a rule for minimum elapsed time in these situation, I've never heard of a rule for maximum elapsed time.

Sure you have. Other thread: 8, 7, 6 minutes...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by maven

Sure you have. Other thread: 8, 7, 6 minutes...

Shut up.

There, I said it. Are you happy now?

[maven]

Originally Posted by Adam

Shut up.

There, I said it. Are you happy now?

Ecstatic. Next question.

[Tio]

I think you are splitting hairs...

The rule is in the NCAA book. 0.3 seconds must exist for a try. You can make the same assumption on a catch, but none of us are that good to call a timeout immediately upon catching the ball. Go with the clock unless the crew has definite knowledge more time ran off after the whistle granting the timeout.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think you are splitting hairs...

The rule is in the NCAA book. 0.3 seconds must exist for a try. You can make the same assumption on a catch, but none of us are that good to call a timeout immediately upon catching the ball. Go with the clock unless the crew has definite knowledge more time ran off after the whistle granting the timeout.

The coach can tell an official ahead of time, "on the miss, we're calling time" or "we're throwin it to here and calling time" Then the play happens and they are yellin for the TO before the ball even hits the players hand so that it's almost startin the clock and stoppin it in one motion.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I believe the NBA has a rule that says a certain amount of time MUST come off the clock when the ball is legally touched. I could be wrong; I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.

Hmmm, just looked through the online NBA rule book and didn't see it in there. Guess you can disregard this post. Sorry.

No, you're correct.. At least .3 seconds must come off the clock when the ball is legally touched except for a replay situation that allows .2 or .1 to come off the clock.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by APG

No, you're correct.. At least .3 seconds must come off the clock when the ball is legally touched except for a replay situation that allows .2 or .1 to come off the coach.

Huh? If you know how to subtract coaches, even just tenths of them, I want to learn this trick. Perhaps I can improve the technique and make a few disappear entirely.

[Tio]

Originally Posted by letemplay

The coach can tell an official ahead of time, "on the miss, we're calling time" or "we're throwin it to here and calling time" Then the play happens and they are yellin for the TO before the ball even hits the players hand so that it's almost startin the clock and stoppin it in one motion.

The coach still needs to request the timeout when his team is in possession of the ball...and then the clock stops on your whistle. It is entirely possible that more than 0.3 seconds come off during this sequence. Don't over referee the clock... when you blow your whistle, look at the clock and as long as it isn't running after your whistle blows, you are fine.

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Tio

The coach still needs to request the timeout when his team is in possession of the ball...and then the clock stops on your whistle. It is entirely possible that more than 0.3 seconds come off during this sequence. Don't over referee the clock... when you blow your whistle, look at the clock and as long as it isn't running after your whistle blows, you are fine.

Of course it's "entirely possible" more than .3 comes off...generally does...that was why my thread was entitled "Minimum"??
Let's say there's an even second (1.0) left with length of the floor to go and they pass it up to frontcourt and call an immediate TO. Clock starts, but before it can get stopped the horn goes off. Should there be time put back on and if so, how much? We (refs) don't have a count in tenths of a second so I'm guessing team is just sol. If we had a rule or standard that would say it's not possible to gain possesion and call a TO in less than say for example, 0.5..then in situations like this we could simply by rule deduct .5 from the previous time showing and play on. That was essentially my point of the post, to ask if anywhere uses a certain standard measure of time, like .5 or .7 in situations like that.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Of course it's "entirely possible" more than .3 comes off...generally does...that was why my thread was entitled "Minimum"??
Let's say there's an even second (1.0) left with length of the floor to go and they pass it up to frontcourt and call an immediate TO. Clock starts, but before it can get stopped the horn goes off. Should there be time put back on and if so, how much? We (refs) don't have a count in tenths of a second so I'm guessing team is just sol. If we had a rule or standard that would say it's not possible to gain possesion and call a TO in less than say for example, 0.5..then in situations like this we could simply by rule deduct .5 from the previous time showing and play on. That was essentially my point of the post, to ask if anywhere uses a certain standard measure of time, like .5 or .7 in situations like that.

A) I'm sure "anywhere" does. that doesn't make it right (under today's rules)

B) An official needs to see the time remaining and can then have that time put back.

C) Absent (B), the period has expired.

D) Propose a rules change.