Originally Posted by dahoopref (Post 877354)

After talking with an observer from my conference regarding play #2:

Q: Does the UM's defense affect the RSBQ of OSU drive to the basket?
A: Yes. The illegal contact occurs before the ending drive to the basket.

The T is in poor position to officiate the play. The C has a closed look on the defender. The L is too far to make a call without seeming he is "fishing in someone's pond." However, the L should realize where the T is and has the best open look to see the constant riding on the OSU player's hip. I didn't see the whole game, but crew dynamics during the game are sometimes the reason calls are not made.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877353)

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 877377)

In this instance, though, the fouled player is taken to the floor.

In my games, which are definitely not this game, I'm probably going intentional. I'm surprised, but understand why, there's so little support for it in this game.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 877392)

Are you guys that saying that play two is a hand check really gonna make that call in OSU / UM with four seconds to go.

In 24 hrs you would go from Chysler Arena and $ 3,000 a game to 10 u boys at the local Y for $25 a game.....

Now who wants to make that call??????

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877379)

I would not call that in my HS game. I see this often on shot attempts and missed block attempts.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877358)

I totally disagree on the drive. For one they are running with each other. Also the OSU has his elbow out, which from my vantage point is not going to get you special consideration. The defender is just running with him. Also the dribble never loses the ball, stops from going where he wants to go or has to change direction. If anything the OSU is causing a lot of that contact.

Peace

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 877376)

BTW...NCAAW just posted a video similar to a play like the last one (defender riding alongside the offensive player on the way to the goal) telling us it should be called since B1 isn't in LGP.

I will say I don't believe that should be applied here because the defender lost contact with the OSU player.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877353)

I do not consider contact to the face to be necessarily excessive, when the player does not go to the floor or was not an unusual basketball play.

Players are hit in the face all the time on shots and hardly anyone rules excessive contact when that occurs.

Peace

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 877427)

You see a lot of guys pulled to the floor by their heads? Sounds like a rough league to me.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 877441)

I don't either, just pointing out that the rule does give room for that conclusion.

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 877430)

Now as far as me agreeeing with Rut twice in one week....any suggestions ????? :confused::confused::confused:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 877461)

I cannot even think of the last time you or I had even a conversation let alone disagreed with each other. I guess my comments mean more to you than yours will ever mean to me. ;)

Peace

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 877462)

Ouch...that will leave a mark! :D