Official's Jurisdiction

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

By T-worthy, I meant anything that you would consider worthy of a technical foul at that moment. Whatever that may be. Realizing everyone's lines are in different places, I meant to discuss the jurisdiction, not what actions would constitute a T. Take it as a given for the purposes of this discussion, that whatever he does is, in your mind, worthy of a technical foul.

If that happens at the times mentioned, do you have jurisdiction to call it?

I get what you are saying, but what they say after the game or before a game will likely not going to get a T from me unless it is a normal high school situation like coming onto the court 15 minutes before the game for the first time. I just do not see myself penalizing a team for comments in-between games. I just would not forget the comments and take them into account for future behavior. This is not a situation that has a clear rule IMO to cover, so you do what you feel is best. And if giving a T is something acceptable in your area, do just that. I might get questioned, "Why were you still around" kind of comment if I gave a T. So this is really what are the acceptable mores of your area.

Peace

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

What about back to back games, in either a youth, tourney, or camp type setting.

Are you talking about an AAU type set of games? Not related to HS ball? If so, let the tourney or league director handle issues like that. This scenario doesn't really happen in high school games, does it?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Are you talking about an AAU type set of games?

Yes, exactly. I gather from the rest of your comment that if the incident is before anyone's warming up, you'd have site admin worry about it, but after, you'd issue the T. Is that right?

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yes, exactly. I gather from the rest of your comment that if the incident is before anyone's warming up, you'd have site admin worry about it, but after, you'd issue the T. Is that right?

I work these games a lot on weekends where we sit in chairs in the corner (must be a Texas thing). If a coach approaches me after a game (never had one approach before) I will tell them to walk away. I wouldn't even consider a T because it really would have no effect on anything. I don't believe there is any rule or guideline that punishes a coach for this behavior in an AAU setting, but I really have no clue. If the coach is being a jacka$$ and won't go away, I will find the folks who are running the event and let them deal with it.

My reasoning here is that I know the AAU thing is a business and there is a completely different hierarchy when it comes to what's important - that's just the way it is. I let management handle things with belligerent people (unless it's during my game) because I know management does not want me dealing with the people who are paying the bills (coaches and fans). 99% of the time, they will back me up and we just move on. If I say something out of line or get myself in a situation where it even appears I acted inappropriately, I will likely bear the brunt of what happens.

Bottom line is a T really doesn't punish anyone between games. Only time I would consider a T is if I hadn't walked off the court yet and he engaged me and the other team had a chance to tie or win with free throws.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I work these games a lot on weekends where we sit in chairs in the corner (must be a Texas thing). If a coach approaches me after a game (never had one approach before) I will tell them to walk away. I wouldn't even consider a T because it really would have no effect on anything.

We have those chairs at one multi-court gym around here. No coach has ever followed me there.

To answer Longhorn's question, I may issue a T in the spirit of "what you don't call, you condone." It may be ridiculous at the time, but it would certainly prevent someone from making a habit of any post-game whining. The penalty isn't just amount the moment; it can be about preventing the behavior, and saving the next guy from having to deal with it.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bainsey

We have those chairs at one multi-court gym around here. No coach has ever followed me there.

To answer Longhorn's question, I may issue a T in the spirit of "what you don't call, you condone." It may be ridiculous at the time, but it would certainly prevent someone from making a habit of any post-game whining. The penalty isn't just amount the moment; it can be about preventing the behavior, and saving the next guy from having to deal with it.

How exactly does a T prevent anything in this situation? Particularly in situation A in the OP where a coach says something to you after the game is already over.

I work a lot of the AAU circuit in the DC area and what someone else said about it being a business is spot on. If a coach or spectator does or says something out of line to the point that I cant handle it myself I'm going straight to tournament administration and having them handle it. In my experience and observations they always have. If they didnt then I just wouldnt be working those tournaments any more.

I really don't see what a T accomplishes in this setting when there is usually no set rule for Ts or ejections carrying over from one game to the next.

[Adam]

I think you do have the jurisdiction; although I would be very hesitant to use it.

1) For the post game comment, there's a limit to how long afterwards I'd be willing to put a T in the book. Off the top of my head, probably the duration of the post-game ritual handshake.

2) Pregame, once the teams start warming up, the T is easy.

In AAU-type games, though, I would have no problem with someone giving these between-game Ts. If we have no where to go, then the threat of a T is likely the only suppressant keeping some of those clowns from exposing their idiocy.