Official's Jurisdiction

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Yes, exactly. I gather from the rest of your comment that if the incident is before anyone's warming up, you'd have site admin worry about it, but after, you'd issue the T. Is that right?

I work these games a lot on weekends where we sit in chairs in the corner (must be a Texas thing). If a coach approaches me after a game (never had one approach before) I will tell them to walk away. I wouldn't even consider a T because it really would have no effect on anything. I don't believe there is any rule or guideline that punishes a coach for this behavior in an AAU setting, but I really have no clue. If the coach is being a jacka$$ and won't go away, I will find the folks who are running the event and let them deal with it.

My reasoning here is that I know the AAU thing is a business and there is a completely different hierarchy when it comes to what's important - that's just the way it is. I let management handle things with belligerent people (unless it's during my game) because I know management does not want me dealing with the people who are paying the bills (coaches and fans). 99% of the time, they will back me up and we just move on. If I say something out of line or get myself in a situation where it even appears I acted inappropriately, I will likely bear the brunt of what happens.

Bottom line is a T really doesn't punish anyone between games. Only time I would consider a T is if I hadn't walked off the court yet and he engaged me and the other team had a chance to tie or win with free throws.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I work these games a lot on weekends where we sit in chairs in the corner (must be a Texas thing). If a coach approaches me after a game (never had one approach before) I will tell them to walk away. I wouldn't even consider a T because it really would have no effect on anything.

We have those chairs at one multi-court gym around here. No coach has ever followed me there.

To answer Longhorn's question, I may issue a T in the spirit of "what you don't call, you condone." It may be ridiculous at the time, but it would certainly prevent someone from making a habit of any post-game whining. The penalty isn't just amount the moment; it can be about preventing the behavior, and saving the next guy from having to deal with it.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bainsey

We have those chairs at one multi-court gym around here. No coach has ever followed me there.

To answer Longhorn's question, I may issue a T in the spirit of "what you don't call, you condone." It may be ridiculous at the time, but it would certainly prevent someone from making a habit of any post-game whining. The penalty isn't just amount the moment; it can be about preventing the behavior, and saving the next guy from having to deal with it.

How exactly does a T prevent anything in this situation? Particularly in situation A in the OP where a coach says something to you after the game is already over.

I work a lot of the AAU circuit in the DC area and what someone else said about it being a business is spot on. If a coach or spectator does or says something out of line to the point that I cant handle it myself I'm going straight to tournament administration and having them handle it. In my experience and observations they always have. If they didnt then I just wouldnt be working those tournaments any more.

I really don't see what a T accomplishes in this setting when there is usually no set rule for Ts or ejections carrying over from one game to the next.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

How exactly does a T prevent anything in this situation? Particularly in situation A in the OP where a coach says something to you after the game is already over.

I work a lot of the AAU circuit in the DC area and what someone else said about it being a business is spot on. If a coach or spectator does or says something out of line to the point that I cant handle it myself I'm going straight to tournament administration and having them handle it. In my experience and observations they always have. If they didnt then I just wouldnt be working those tournaments any more.

I really don't see what a T accomplishes in this setting when there is usually no set rule for Ts or ejections carrying over from one game to the next.

I was going to respond to Bainsey's post but you said it better than I would have.

[MD Longhorn]

Thanks for all the input, guys!