Communication with partner

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is it very wrong because you disagree with it?

Look, if a player wants me to think they are shooting, then shoot the ball. If a player wants me to think they are passing, then pass the ball. Not all players that gather and jump in the air are shooting. Otherwise if a player gathers and gets the ball knocked out his hands or knocked the the floor whether they release the ball to shoot or pass, they are getting shots from me. After all this is all about judgment anyway. There is ultimately nothing right or wrong either way. I am just not rewarding a player that is not smart enough to know to not pass the ball if you want the total benefit of the foul.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Who said that? I have been following this conversation pretty closely and I have yet to remember reading someone saying what you just suggested. It should not be hard to quote if someone actually made that claim.



Peace

You did. Shoot the ball means leaving the hands to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You did. Shoot the ball means leaving the hands to me.

You kind of picked and choosed what you wanted out of his post. "Pass the ball" also means leaving the hands. His comparison was strictly between shooting or passing the ball. Not holding the ball:

"Look, if a player wants me to think they are shooting, then shoot the ball. If a player wants me to think they are passing, then pass the ball. Not all players that gather and jump in the air are shooting. Otherwise if a player gathers and gets the ball knocked out his hands or knocked the the floor whether they release the ball to shoot or pass, they are getting shots from me.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is it very wrong because you disagree with it?

Look, if a player wants me to think they are shooting, then shoot the ball. If a player wants me to think they are passing, then pass the ball. Not all players that gather and jump in the air are shooting. Otherwise if a player gathers and gets the ball knocked out his hands or knocked the the floor whether they release the ball to shoot or pass, they are getting shots from me. After all this is all about judgment anyway. There is ultimately nothing right or wrong either way. I am just not rewarding a player that is not smart enough to know to not pass the ball if you want the total benefit of the foul.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He takes away the doubt when he passes the ball. If the ball was lost or there was some real question as to what took place or what they were going to do (e.g. fumbling the ball after contact) then I would award shots. It should not be hard to understand. If the player wants everyone to know what they were doing, then shoot the darn ball. Why is that hard to understand?

Peace

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You kind of picked and choosed what you wanted out of his post. "Pass the ball" also means leaving the hands. His comparison was strictly between shooting or passing the ball. Not holding the ball:

"Look, if a player wants me to think they are shooting, then shoot the ball. If a player wants me to think they are passing, then pass the ball. Not all players that gather and jump in the air are shooting. Otherwise if a player gathers and gets the ball knocked out his hands or knocked the the floor whether they release the ball to shoot or pass, they are getting shots from me.

Well it was said twice in two different situations.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Well it was said twice in two different situations.

"Passing the ball" means leaving the players hand but you are ignoring that all together.

I don't see a single phrase or sentence in the posts you quoted that said the ball must "leave a player's hands" in order for it to be a shooting foul.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"Passing the ball" means leaving the players hand but you are ignoring that all together.

I don't see a single phrase or sentence in the posts you quoted that said the ball must "leave a player's hands" in order for it to be a shooting foul.

Ok, maybe I am misinterpretating what was written. My apologies.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Ok, maybe I am misinterpretating what was written. My apologies.

I kinder, friendlier forum. Jurassic would be so proud right now

Now I have to find somebody at work to argue with.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You did. Shoot the ball means leaving the hands to me.

No it does not. The act of shooting beings long before the release of the ball (by rule that some of you love to keep talking about) Sorry, nice try. I have awarded many shooting fouls without a ball being released. Got crap for them just about every time.

Peace