LGP under the basket ?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by egj13

For two experienced Varsity Refs, why are L and C watching the same area. L shouldn't have been "reaching" across the lane to make a call out of his area. If you officiate your PCAs you run less risk of this happening in the first place.

If the contact is a drive from C and contact in the far side of the lane form L, a double whistle is a common occurence -- escpecially if it's a secondary defender -- the L sees the secondary defender, the C keeps following the offensive player.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the contact is a drive from C and contact in the far side of the lane form L, a double whistle is a common occurence -- escpecially if it's a secondary defender -- the L sees the secondary defender, the C keeps following the offensive player.

We pre-game this pretty hard in my pool...if I had been L and had the double whistle I would have released to C for them to make the call. We really have very few double whistles from our Ls in our pool though...just something that is harped on really hard.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by egj13

For two experienced Varsity Refs, why are L and C watching the same area. L shouldn't have been "reaching" across the lane to make a call out of his area. If you officiate your PCAs you run less risk of this happening in the first place.

Originally Posted by egj13

We pre-game this pretty hard in my pool...if I had been L and had the double whistle I would have released to C for them to make the call. We really have very few double whistles from our Ls in our pool though...just something that is harped on really hard.

Double whistles aren't necessarily bad things.

[DRJ1960]

Originally Posted by rich

double whistles aren't necessarily bad things.

+1

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Rich

Double whistles aren't necessarily bad things.

What do you think about double whistles when the drive starts on C side, either at a 45 degree angle or from the baseline? If I work a college or high school game, we talk about these plays and secondary defenders. A lot of time, the secondary defender surprises the C and the call is made by the seat of the pants. This is a time when I think the L should have the first crack at the play. However - and my previous post didn't get all into this - this is not to say the L is going to have the first crack at every play that goes to the hoop from the C side. For example, if A1 drives from the C side, elevates and it fouled by B2, I still think this isn't a double whistle situation. The L may have a cadence whistle, but it should be on something that is obvious that the C doesn't call. IMO, this applies to plays that start, develop and finish in the C's primary. If a play goes right down the middle of the lane, or close, it is different.

Last night we had a few double whistles in my game. I work with the official I had double whistles with a lot and they must have been good double whistles. I say this because he is my friend, I know him and if we have a double whistle that is clearly in my PCA (a call that is absolutely mine to make) I'm not even looking at him as I move to report.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

What do you think about double whistles when the drive starts on C side, either at a 45 degree angle or from the baseline? If I work a college or high school game, we talk about these plays and secondary defenders. A lot of time, the secondary defender surprises the C and the call is made by the seat of the pants. This is a time when I think the L should have the first crack at the play. However - and my previous post didn't get all into this - this is not to say the L is going to have the first crack at every play that goes to the hoop from the C side. For example, if A1 drives from the C side, elevates and it fouled by B2, I still think this isn't a double whistle situation. The L may have a cadence whistle, but it should be on something that is obvious that the C doesn't call. IMO, this applies to plays that start, develop and finish in the C's primary. If a play goes right down the middle of the lane, or close, it is different.

Last night we had a few double whistles in my game. I work with the official I had double whistles with a lot and they must have been good double whistles. I say this because he is my friend, I know him and if we have a double whistle that is clearly in my PCA (a call that is absolutely mine to make) I'm not even looking at him as I move to report.

Without addressing your points in detail, I agree with everything you've said.

Sometimes a play can "blow up" when a defender seems to appear out of nowhere when another official can tell you exactly what that defender did the entire time -- why wouldn't we pass primary responsibility on the call to the official who saw everything the defender did?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If the contact is a drive from C and contact in the far side of the lane form L, a double whistle is a common occurence -- escpecially if it's a secondary defender -- the L sees the secondary defender, the C keeps following the offensive player.

And sometimes both just see the backs of the involved players and not the contact...