Scorer's Table

[jrdavidson]

Is it a technical foul if a player approaches the score table during the game to see how many fouls they have?

[just another ref]

Theoretically, yes, but never seen it called.

This applies to a lot of things.

[OKREF]

I don't think I would ever give a kid T for this.

[JRutledge]

Better question is how are we (officials) going to know that is the reason for a player going to the table? For all we know they could be going for a possible substitution and then the coach retracts the opportunity.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jrdavidson

Is it a technical foul if a player approaches the score table during the game to see how many fouls they have?

Player, substitute, or bench personnel?

[BillyMac]

This thread brings up a few questions in my mind. During the game, other than the head coach approaching the table to question some type of correctable error, bookkeeping error, possession arrow error, etc. who, other than a substitute, may approach the table? Head coach for the errors mentioned here, but who else can approach, and under what conditions? Can a head coach approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personnel fouls? If not, who can? Assistant coach?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This thread brings up a few questions in my mind. During the game, other than the head coach approaching the table to question some type of correctable error, bookkeeping error, possession arrow error, etc. who, other than a substitute, may approach the table? Head coach for the errors mentioned here, but who else can approach, and under what conditions? Can a head coach approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personnel fouls? If not, who can? Assistant coach?

By rule, 10.5.1A. But, you'll need to earn your $87 (or whatever) paycheck by interpeting "etc."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10.5.1A.

10.5.1 SITUATION A: The coach of Team A leaves the bench area and goes to
the table to seek information other than a correctable error: (a) during a time-out;
or (b) during the intermission between the first and second quarters. RULING: A
technical foul is charged directly to the coach in both (a) and (b) resulting in the
loss of coaching-box privileges. If this information is required, it must be secured
by a manager or statistician, etc., when the clock is stopped and the ball is dead.
A coach is not permitted at the table for this purpose. To allow exceptions would
open the door for exploitation and would result in situations which could not be
enforced consistently.

10.5.1 SITUATION B: The coach of Team B rises and accompanies B6 to the
table to make sure the substitute reports properly. RULING: This is a technical
foul charged directly to the coach resulting in the loss of coaching-box privileges.
The coach is not allowed to be off the bench or out of the optional coaching box
for this purpose.

[zm1283]

We had a HC last week go to the table in the third quarter to inquire about the team foul count for the entire game from the scorekeeper. This ended up earning him a technical after he announced it to my partner, who was the Trail, after the first of two free throws on the other end of the court. He ended up getting his second technical from me after the next free throw and early trip to the showers after he refused to comply with the seatbelt rule, told us we were terrible, and dismissively waved me off. That was a first for me.

[Sharpshooternes]

Anybody have a problem with teams that set up the bench well beyond the coach's box so that it is right up against the table? Had this last night. Coach was standing up out of the box, leaning on the table. Opposing coach was complaining. Had a had an excellent game up until that point actually the funnest and best I have had all year. No complaining, good flow etc. There was only 2 minutes left in the game. I tried to be be diplomatic and asked him to help us out and get back in the box just before we were shooting FTs. I was going to give him until the end of the FTs before I T'd him up. As soon as the second FT was shot, I turned and looked and he was sitting on the "bench" which was the front row of the bleachers, right next to the scorers table. Thoughts?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Anybody have a problem with teams that set up the bench well beyond the coach's box so that it is right up against the table? Had this last night. Coach was standing up out of the box, leaning on the table. Opposing coach was complaining. Had a had an excellent game up until that point actually the funnest and best I have had all year. No complaining, good flow etc. There was only 2 minutes left in the game. I tried to be be diplomatic and asked him to help us out and get back in the box just before we were shooting FTs. I was going to give him until the end of the FTs before I T'd him up. As soon as the second FT was shot, I turned and looked and he was sitting on the "bench" which was the front row of the bleachers, right next to the scorers table. Thoughts?

I thought this wasn't a problem in HS games?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Anybody have a problem with teams that set up the bench well beyond the coach's box so that it is right up against the table? Had this last night. Coach was standing up out of the box, leaning on the table. Opposing coach was complaining. Had a had an excellent game up until that point actually the funnest and best I have had all year. No complaining, good flow etc. There was only 2 minutes left in the game. I tried to be be diplomatic and asked him to help us out and get back in the box just before we were shooting FTs. I was going to give him until the end of the FTs before I T'd him up. As soon as the second FT was shot, I turned and looked and he was sitting on the "bench" which was the front row of the bleachers, right next to the scorers table. Thoughts?

I've been known to move the first couple of chairs (on each side) to the far end so the bench begins at the 28' line.

Sometimes, if they're sitting on bleachers and expecially if the table isn't exactly centered or there's a stairway, etc, you have to adjust how strictly you'll enforce the rule (and about sitting in the box to start the game).

if it gets too bad, write a report to the state / governing body.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I've been known to move the first couple of chairs (on each side) to the far end so the bench begins at the 28' line.

Sometimes, if they're sitting on bleachers and expecially if the table isn't exactly centered or there's a stairway, etc, you have to adjust how strictly you'll enforce the rule (and about sitting in the box to start the game).

if it gets too bad, write a report to the state / governing body.

Like I said, wasn't too worried about it in this case because it was bleachers and not chairs, but when the coach was standing up and leaning on the table and opposing coach was complaining, then it became a problem.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This thread brings up a few questions in my mind. During the game, other than the head coach approaching the table to question some type of correctable error, bookkeeping error, possession arrow error, etc. who, other than a substitute, may approach the table? Head coach for the errors mentioned here, but who else can approach, and under what conditions? Can a head coach approach the table to inquire about team fouls, or personnel fouls? If not, who can? Assistant coach?

Are team personnel required to remain seated on the bench where you officiate? if so, that pretty much answers your question.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Anybody have a problem with teams that set up the bench well beyond the coach's box so that it is right up against the table?

It makes no difference. If he's going to use the coaching box, then his seat on the bench MUST be within the coaching box. He cannot sit beside the table and roam back and forth between his seat and the box.

10.5.1 SITUATION C:

The coach of Team B sits on the opposite end of the bench from where the optional coaching box is located. The coach rises only when permitted by rule.
RULING: Legal. The coach is not required to use the optional coaching box even though it has been adopted by the state association. However, if the coach begins the game by sitting somewhere other than where the box is located, he/she may not use the box privileges any time during the game. The coach must begin the game in a position within the box if he/she wishes to stand when permitted under the optional coaching-box provisions.