Calling out a fellow official? Advice needed.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by That Guy

So I'm working a JV game last night, and my partner was calling all sorts of fouls on incidental contact. He even tried to subtly talk me into going off his cliff. It didn't help matters that since he was calling every touch under the sun, the coaches and fans were expecting me to as well.

How do I get a fourth year guy like this to better understand incidental contact? I've worked with him before, and he did the same thing. Calling all over the court, calling fouls on plays right in front of me that were clearly incidental, if contact was even made at all.

Okay, we've heard opininions. Let's look at the fact.

Originally Posted by lads25

4) My partner and I called 36 fouls in the game. I called 31 of them, including 20 of the 21 in the second half.

If a guy calls 20 of 21 fouls in a half, it is certainly possible he called too many. But, from here, it sounds more likely that the other guy was making a point of holding his original position.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Okay, we've heard opininions. Let's look at the fact.




If a guy calls 20 of 21 fouls in a half, it is certainly possible he called too many. But, from here, it sounds more likely that the other guy was making a point of holding his original position.

Don't mind, That Guy

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a guy calls 20 of 21 fouls in a half, it is certainly possible he called too many. But, from here, it sounds more likely that the other guy was making a point of holding his original position.

That might all be true, but the point I think is that the other guy might have another point. Then you get into a he said, he said situation. And I am sure it is a little exaggerated that he called 20 of 21 fouls. Maybe he called the lion's share or 90% of the fouls, but that number might have a better explaination than saying a specific number unless he could remember every foul. I know I cannot remember every foul that is called to that extent. The point is the partner might have a story to tell as well and it might not be favorable in his direction. That is why you have to be careful when going out on your partner. And if you are not a veteran or well known, it would not likely be to your advantage. They might ask you or me what we think of a partner, but not this guy necessarily.

Peace

[lads25]

I can promise I am not exaggerating on the 20 of 21 foul calls. Have video. Nevertheless, I appreciate the advice that has been coming in....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lads25

I can promise I am not exaggerating on the 20 of 21 foul calls. Have video. Nevertheless, I appreciate the advice that has been coming in....

It does not matter if you are. The point is you will open up a can of worms you might not like the result even if you are doing the "right thing."

Peace

[Kelvin green]

If your association uses arbiter and allows blocks, go in and block him. In Utah we can block up to three individuals and no one says a thing becuase it is in the software

[lads25]

Thanks Kelvin, we do use arbiter. Wasn't aware of the software's capabilities. Could be the best approach. Thanks

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

If your association uses arbiter and allows blocks, go in and block him. In Utah we can block up to three individuals and no one says a thing becuase it is in the software

Can't the assignor or person with assignor privilege override the block? That has been my experience with that software. I am sure you could block anyone or anything you like, but someone would be aware and still want to know why.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can't the assignor or person with assignor privilege override the block? That has been my experience with that software. I am sure you could block anyone or anything you like, but someone would be aware and still want to know why.

Peace

Not always. If you don't make a habit of it, they probably won't even notice. Not every assignor enables this feature, though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not always. If you don't make a habit of it, they probably won't even notice. Not every assignor enables this feature, though.

True.

Peace

[Adam]

20 out of 21 seems excessive, on both sides. It honestly makes me wonder whether there were a few in his area where you were just quicker on the whistle, and at some point he figured you just wanted to do it yourself so he let you.

Hard to say without video.

There must be a reason he is calling JV games after a 30 year career?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by big jake

There must be a reason he is calling JV games after a 30 year career?

Colorado requires a minimum number of JV games to be eligible for the post season. There is literally no conclusion that you can gather from that information.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Can't the assignor or person with assignor privilege override the block? That has been my experience with that software. I am sure you could block anyone or anything you like, but someone would be aware and still want to know why.

Peace

I have one guy blocked. Have not worked with him since.

[NJBBallRef]

Definitely contact your assignor as well and tell him very professionally that you would rather not work with him again. I'm sure if he is a halfway decent guy, he won't ask any questions or give you any problems with it. I would absolutely do that, because you don't want any coaches bad mouthing you because of the poor job your partner did.