Butler-Gonzaga finish

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by APG

Where is this magical interpretation that states if one shoulder is lower than the other, then it's an offensive/player control foul?

The OP states A1's shoulder dips (thereby implying A1 fouled B1). I'm merely stating the video clearly shows the offensive player doesn't dip his shoulder.

jar clearly disagrees.

[APG]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

The OP states A1's shoulder dips (thereby implying A1 fouled B1). I'm merely stating the video clearly shows the offensive player doesn't dip his shoulder.

jar clearly disagrees.

Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.

[just another ref]

I personally use the expression in the process of describing a play.


"He dipped his shoulder and took it straight into the defender's chest."

But the straight into the chest is the part that really matters. When a player does dip the shoulder, it often means he is committed to his path and helps us to anticipate a play.

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by APG

Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.

(Similar to you, I'm sure) I like to use terms like "displacement" and "verticality" as opposed to "got him with the body".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.

It burns me too. There is actually contact in the game of basketball.

I love it when a coach asks, "There was contact on that play right?" Of course silly, but since when did that make a situation a foul?

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It burns me too. There is actually contact in the game of basketball.

I love it when a coach asks, "There was contact on that play right?" Of course silly, but since when did that make a situation a foul?

Peace

Contact, which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe.

Rule: 4-27-2

Hey, coach, that's basketball.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook

Contact, which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe.

Rule: 4-27-2

Hey, coach, that's basketball.

I have probably quoted this rule more than anyone on this site or in an explanation of the rules to a coach.

I am well aware of this rule.

Peace

[#olderthanilook]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have probably quoted this rule more than anyone on this site or in an explanation of the rules to a coach.

I am well aware of this rule.

Peace

That's why I'm your biggest fan!

I threw it out there (again, for the 1000th time) for the benefit of our resident "fan boys" and coaches masquerading as officials on our beloved forum.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by APG

Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.

Agreed, but it does make me watch closer and changes the benefit of the doubt.