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just another ref Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:39pm
I personally use the expression in the process of describing a play.


"He dipped his shoulder and took it straight into the defender's chest."

But the straight into the chest is the part that really matters. When a player does dip the shoulder, it often means he is committed to his path and helps us to anticipate a play.

#olderthanilook Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:39pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 873687)
Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.
(Similar to you, I'm sure) I like to use terms like "displacement" and "verticality" as opposed to "got him with the body".

JRutledge Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:41pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 873687)
Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.
It burns me too. There is actually contact in the game of basketball.

I love it when a coach asks, "There was contact on that play right?" Of course silly, but since when did that make a situation a foul?

Peace

#olderthanilook Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:44pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 873694)
It burns me too. There is actually contact in the game of basketball.

I love it when a coach asks, "There was contact on that play right?" Of course silly, but since when did that make a situation a foul?

Peace
Contact, which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe.

Rule: 4-27-2

Hey, coach, that's basketball. :p

JRutledge Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:46pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 873695)
Contact, which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe.

Rule: 4-27-2

Hey, coach, that's basketball. :p
I have probably quoted this rule more than anyone on this site or in an explanation of the rules to a coach.

I am well aware of this rule. :D

Peace

#olderthanilook Tue Jan 22, 2013 04:51pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 873696)
I have probably quoted this rule more than anyone on this site or in an explanation of the rules to a coach.

I am well aware of this rule. :D

Peace
That's why I'm your biggest fan! :D

I threw it out there (again, for the 1000th time) for the benefit of our resident "fan boys" and coaches masquerading as officials on our beloved forum.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 22, 2013 05:08pm
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Originally Posted by APG (Post 873687)
Didn't mean that to be directed necessarily at you....I just don't like the term in general and don't use it. It sends up warning flags to me, much like an official that uses something along the lines of getting a player with the body in trying to explain a foul.
Agreed, but it does make me watch closer and changes the benefit of the doubt.

Camron Rust Tue Jan 22, 2013 05:40pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 873664)
I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.
If you look closely enough, you'll see the offensive player, expecting the pass to go elsewhere, pushing back just the same as he is running away from the defender. He pushed the defender in the direction the ball ultimately went. He just guessed the wrong direction of the throw.

Swany11 Tue Feb 26, 2013 05:43am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 873295)
I noticed that too. I tried to freeze it as best as I could and it looked like the horn went off AND the red light came on with about 0.5 on the clock. Very odd.

Are you looking at the clock above the backboard, or the "clock" on the espn score display at the bottom of the screen? Only the former counts -- the second is just there for information. If you watch a game closely, you can see the "espn clock" reset several times during the game to match what's correct.

Even in arenas where this is syncronized, there's a slight but appreciable delay.
The audio/video is out of sync. Just listen to the announcers...they are reacting to the basket before it goes through the basket.


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