Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 873319)

I was looking at the clock on the ESPN display which, in this case, happened to be one of the scoreboard clocks. I know there's a bit of a lag in the arena but it shouldn't be that bad.

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 873325)

If you saw the broadcast and the angle from under the basket (camera under the basket to be specific), you could see the other end's light and it looked like the ball was out. BUt the light did appear to start to come on with .01 on the shot clock display version of the game clock. I have not seen this in highlight versions.

Peace

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 873465)

Anyone think that Jones traveled before releasing his try?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 873230)

You have to be F.K.M. Dipping his shoulder and creating contact? Classic fan-boy statement.

Originally Posted by drofficial (Post 873229)

My point exactly: When a defender leans and leans, and then clearly pushes with an extended arm, we now call that "incidental contact" simply because the offended player does not fall to the floor. And we wonder why we have trouble with flopping.

When we have bodies on the floor, we have to call something. But if we have an obvious push and the player does not fall down, it's incidental contact. Think of the foolishness of that philosophy.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 873652)

LOL. You don't officiate do you? What you consider "clearly" is something I don't see at all.

Originally Posted by drofficial (Post 873219)

The guy who stole the ball in the final seconds last night committed two fouls. Of course, no "good official" would ever call either one in that case. But by rule both were fouls. He pushed the big kid out of the way (leaning on him AND extending the arm on the push)... Then he committed an offensive fould by dipping his shoulder and creating contact, which gave him a clear advantage by creating space.

It's too bad that basketball is not officiated by the rules. It would make the game much better.

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 873664)

I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.

Video clearly shows A1 does not dip his shoulder on the dribble drive.

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 873664)

I agree there was a push on the inbounds play to creat space to catch.

Video clearly shows A1 does not dip his shoulder on the dribble drive.

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 873675)

here's a good example of different takes on the same play.

I don't see a push, or at least not one worthy of a call. The offensive player went one way, the pass went the other. In the process of disengaging, the defender extended his arms. Play on.

I think the video clearly shows that a1 does dip his shoulder, (slightly) but dipping one's shoulder is not in and of itself illegal.

Originally Posted by APG (Post 873670)

Where is this magical interpretation that states if one shoulder is lower than the other, then it's an offensive/player control foul?

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 873685)

The OP states A1's shoulder dips (thereby implying A1 fouled B1). I'm merely stating the video clearly shows the offensive player doesn't dip his shoulder.

jar clearly disagrees. ;)