Coaching Box

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The coaching box rule is like the elbow T and the running out of bounds T. It should be changed to something that will be enforced.

jmo

Electrified barbed wire surrounding the box would be okay with me. Or one of those buried invisible doggie fence systems where a shock is sent via a collar when over the boundary--I'd be okay with that.
Frankly, it isn't much of a problem around these parts. If sincerely coaching, a little latitude is given but not really taken to the point of hideous abuse that I've seen. If yelling lungs out at one of us while out of it, well, that makes it just that much easier to assess a T. Though I really have never had to in recent memory. Can't recall a coach putting up a hissy-fit when asked tactfully to get back in the box.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by DKremer

I was under the impression that the running out of bounds T was changed to a violation?

Intentionally going out of bounds for an authorized reason is a violation. This is often confused with delaying a return inbounds after a throwin, which is a technical foul. In my opinion, both should be a violation, and carry the same penalty.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by DKremer

I was under the impression that the running out of bounds T was changed to a violation (which also isn't called)?

That's his point, both used to be technical fouls but were changed to violations.

I disagree that this really needs changed, however. Enforcement varies by area, but where it's enforced consistently, the coaches don't complain.

[twocentsworth]

imho, the reason why coaches complain when I remind them to stay in the box?:

the officials who worked their games previously NEVER said anything/enforced it. Remember...you promote what you permit.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The officials who worked their games previously never said anything/enforced it. Remember, you promote what you permit.

I'm confused? Is this thread about "Fashion Police" issues?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm confused?

We get that.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I wish they would go with the college box for HS. I think trying to limit someone to a very small area is kind of silly.

Trust me, it doesn't help. NYC uses the college box in boys and girls. The coaches complain just as much when you tell them to move back.

[just another ref]

Forget the coaching box. Just make the area directly in front of the table a forbidden zone. That's kinda the way it's enforced around here now.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I wish they would go with the college box for HS. I think trying to limit someone to a very small area is kind of silly. Or take away the box all together. Even with those possible changes, we would still have to tell a coach to comply and I just cannot understand why we have to even ask in the first place.

Peace

I'd be thrilled with the college box in HS games. Did a game on a college court yesterday that wasn't marked and I almost said something to one of the coaches who was near the end line. Then I noticed they hadn't marked a HS box and the coach was just coaching and I let it alone completely.

Seat belt rule in all but varsity here. That's even worse, IMO.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm confused? Is this thread about "Fashion Police" issues?

Since the title of this thread is "Coaching Box"....and NONE of the comments, including mine, reference anything other than the coaching box issue, yes, you are some how confused in thinking this is dealing w/ uniform issues......

That being said, my comments apply to "fasion police"-issues as well. When previous officials continually don't enforce the rules - the official who does enforce a specific rule gets the same aforementioned reaction.

[JRutledge]

Honestly I do not care what other officials say or do. It is a rule and we have the right to simply just enforce the rule. If I am telling you something or using preventative officiating to not be so strict, then you should have enough sense to just comply. Coaches want it both ways. They want us to tell them everything but when we do they get upset. It is like telling a player to be careful not to reach across the throw in plane, then being upset when you violate the rule.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

That being said, my comments apply to "fashion police"-issues as well. When previous officials continually don't enforce the rules - the official who does enforce a specific rule gets the same aforementioned reaction.

Which is why I made my post. Sometimes our colleagues are our worst enemies, not often, but sometimes.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'd be thrilled with the college box in HS games. Did a game on a college court yesterday that wasn't marked and I almost said something to one of the coaches who was near the end line. Then I noticed they hadn't marked a HS box and the coach was just coaching and I let it alone completely.

Seat belt rule in all but varsity here. That's even worse, IMO.

Rich - do you still have an 8' box too?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Rich - do you still have an 8' box too?

It was a 6' box when I moved here. It's been a 14' box for a while now.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Had to constantly remind one coach to stay in the box one game and his excuse was that he would be blocking his assistants' view.

If you can't stay in the coaches box, your assistant coaches will soon have a better view than you