Shot Clock Error

[c'mon mendy]

White has the ball near their basket. They lose possession with about 7 seconds left on the shot clock. Red now has possession of the ball and as they are in transition to their basket, but before they attempt a shot, the shot clock horn sounds because the shot clock operator forgot to reset the shot clock when white lost possession of the ball. When the shot clock buzzer sounds red stops playing. What is the correct call? Do you penalize red for not continueing to play when no whistle was blown? Do you stop the game and put 23 seconds on a remaining shot clock for red?

[APG]

If a scoring play isn't imminent, stop play, correct the shot clock, then give it to red.

[KJUmp]

Your post indicates that you had definite knowledge of an error by the table in not properly resetting the shot clock. So why would you even consider punishing the Red team as an option?

Yes, reset to :30 Red throw in at POI.

[c'mon mendy]

In the pre game we instructed both teams to play our whistle and not the horn. When the shot clock buzzer sounded we did not blow our whistles as red had an opportunity to score. When it was obvious red stopped playing we blew our whistles and dealt with the situation, in question.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by c'mon mendy

In the pre game we instructed both teams to play our whistle and not the horn.

I hear a lot of this, and at first I thought I liked it, but then I realized I don't want players fully ignorant of the horn since it signals the end of all periods, while the whistle in those same instances means absolutely nothing and is often not blown at all.

[jeschmit]

With definite knowledge, you can fix this and move on easily.

In NCAA-W, reset the shot clock at 23 and put the ball in play OOB closest to where it was when the error was noticed.

In NCAA-M, reset the shot clock at 28 and put the ball in play OOB closest to where it was when the error was noticed.

You could go to the monitor for a timing error if you didn't have definite knowledge... if you have access to a monitor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ODog

I hear a lot of this, and at first I thought I liked it, but then I realized I don't want players fully ignorant of the horn since it signals the end of all periods, while the whistle in those same instances means absolutely nothing and is often not blown at all.

We always have a whistle at the end of a quarter/half.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

We always have a whistle at the end of a quarter/half.

We don't. We only sound the whistle if there's something questionable, i.e. a try after the horn, near the end of the period.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Your post indicates that you had definite knowledge of an error by the table in not properly resetting the shot clock. So why would you even consider punishing the Red team as an option?

Yes, reset to :30 Red throw in at POI.

Agreed, if the "normal" shot clock period is :37.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

We always have a whistle at the end of a quarter/half.

As do we, by the official who has last shot responsibility.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

We don't. We only sound the whistle if there's something questionable, i.e. a try after the horn, near the end of the period.

Do you whistle in subs?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

Do you whistle in subs?

Only if my partner (two person in old fashioned Connecticut) doesn't have a good angle to see the table and is about ready to administer and the timer is asleep at the switch at sounding the horn. We seldom, if ever, whistle in substitutes when the timer does his job and sounds the horn at the proper time. Usually it's just the "come hither" beckon signal, maybe with a "Sub" oral beckon.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Rich

Do you whistle in subs?

I don't. I yell "Sub!" and beckon.

Back to the whistle to end a period, I don't think I've whistled the end of a period more than 5-10 times ever. We were taught it has no significance unless the horn fails to fire (or it's clear the players didn't respond to the horn).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODog

Unless the horn fails to fire.

You guys have pyrotechnics scoreboards? Cool.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ODog

I don't. I yell "Sub!" and beckon.

Back to the whistle to end a period, I don't think I've whistled the end of a period more than 5-10 times ever. We were taught it has no significance unless the horn fails to fire (or it's clear the players didn't respond to the horn).

Fine if that's your local practice. The NFHS official's manual does say that we whistle in subs.

(No, Rut, you don't have to tell me that you don't follow the NFHS manual in Northeast Illinois.)

I watch a lot of JV games before my varsity games where the officials don't whistle in the subs. It just seems awkward without the whistle -- the official waves, the kid hesitates, the official waves again...personally, I can't imagine not using a whistle.

Back to the original thread. My hijack is over. Besides, didn't we go round and round on this topic a few years ago?