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bainsey Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:33am

First time ever: Fist violation
 
I don't think I've ever called a fist violation before in my seven years, until yesterday. I wasn't even sure what the signal was, so I basically mimicked the kid's motion. I just looked in the NFHS rule book, and I can't even find the signal for it!

Who has this call frequently? (I'll bet not many.)

JRutledge Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:44am

Never called it, never seen it.

Peace

just another ref Thu Jan 10, 2013 01:32am

I have seen a player stick up a fist and let the throw-in pass hit it so it could be picked up by the thrower. no call

grunewar Thu Jan 10, 2013 05:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871288)
Never called it, never seen it.

Peace

+1

Had a P call the "elbow" violation the other night......obviously, much emphasis in that area, but still rare IMO.

Bad Zebra Thu Jan 10, 2013 06:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 871287)
I don't think I've ever called a fist violation before in my seven years, until yesterday. I wasn't even sure what the signal was, so I basically mimicked the kid's motion. I just looked in the NFHS rule book, and I can't even find the signal for it!

Who has this call frequently? (I'll bet not many.)

Called it once in 15 years. Player punched ball up to a streaking teammate on a fast break.

constable Thu Jan 10, 2013 06:58am

saw it once. Thought my partner was calling a TC foul.

BillyMac Thu Jan 10, 2013 07:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 871293)
I have seen a player stick up a fist and let the throw-in pass hit it so it could be picked up by the thrower. No call

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, just another ref had the right (local) interpretation. I called this exact situation a violation several years ago, was politely questioned by my partner after the game, and asked my local interpreter about it. I was told that the "fist" violation should only be called when the ball is punched in a crowd, i.e. the intent of the rule is to avoid injury.

maven Thu Jan 10, 2013 08:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 871287)
I wasn't even sure what the signal was, so I basically mimicked the kid's motion. I just looked in the NFHS rule book, and I can't even find the signal for it!

There is no signal specifically for this violation. Use the stop clock signal and explain to the kid (and the coach, if he's curious) that he can't do that.

Teachable moment.

jeschmit Thu Jan 10, 2013 09:35am

I called my first fist violation last Wednesday... You can see what I did here:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/nKsaEzdgGWM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Raymond Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 871288)
Never called it, never seen it.

Peace

I've seen it, just not in a basketball video :D

Raymond Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:14am

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Originally Posted by maven (Post 871310)
There is no signal specifically for this violation. Use the stop clock signal ....

Just don't verbalize it.

Zoochy Thu Jan 10, 2013 03:43pm

I saw Jumper A1 punch the jump ball. And I saw a rebounder punch the ball towards the midcourt.

maven Thu Jan 10, 2013 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 871316)
I called my first fist violation last Wednesday... You can see what I did here:

Two guys giving the same "beep beep!" mechanic. Cool! :)

Loudwhistle2 Thu Jan 10, 2013 05:57pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 871323)
Just don't verbalize it.

That is brutally funny!:D Had to make sure it wasn't Padgett with that line.

BktBallRef Thu Jan 10, 2013 07:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 871287)
I don't think I've ever called a fist violation before in my seven years, until yesterday. I wasn't even sure what the signal was, so I basically mimicked the kid's motion. I just looked in the NFHS rule book, and I can't even find the signal for it!

Who has this call frequently? (I'll bet not many.)

Once. Never again.

It's the violation version of a multiple foul. Know it for exams, leave it alone on the floor.

If anybody asks you, "His hand was open."


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