First time ever: Fist violation
 

I don't think I've ever called a fist violation before in my seven years, until yesterday. I wasn't even sure what the signal was, so I basically mimicked the kid's motion. I just looked in the NFHS rule book, and I can't even find the signal for it!

Who has this call frequently? (I'll bet not many.)

Never called it, never seen it.

Peace

I have seen a player stick up a fist and let the throw-in pass hit it so it could be picked up by the thrower. no call

+1

Had a P call the "elbow" violation the other night......obviously, much emphasis in that area, but still rare IMO.

Called it once in 15 years. Player punched ball up to a streaking teammate on a fast break.

saw it once. Thought my partner was calling a TC foul.

Here in my little corner of Connecticut, just another ref had the right (local) interpretation. I called this exact situation a violation several years ago, was politely questioned by my partner after the game, and asked my local interpreter about it. I was told that the "fist" violation should only be called when the ball is punched in a crowd, i.e. the intent of the rule is to avoid injury.

There is no signal specifically for this violation. Use the stop clock signal and explain to the kid (and the coach, if he's curious) that he can't do that.

Teachable moment.

I called my first fist violation last Wednesday... You can see what I did here:

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I've seen it, just not in a basketball video :D

Just don't verbalize it.

I saw Jumper A1 punch the jump ball. And I saw a rebounder punch the ball towards the midcourt.

Two guys giving the same "beep beep!" mechanic. Cool! :)

That is brutally funny!:D Had to make sure it wasn't Padgett with that line.

Once. Never again.

It's the violation version of a multiple foul. Know it for exams, leave it alone on the floor.

If anybody asks you, "His hand was open."

Intent And Purpose ...
 

Which could be said about many rules, and interpretations, in the book

First, and foremost, you have to know the rules as well as you know the back of your hand. Rule knowledge is always important. Always. Then you have to learn how to apply the rules, with intent and purpose, to a real game situation.

Wait a minute? That freckle wasn't on the back of my hand yesterday. Was it?

I think there may be a time and a place for it...but I've yet to see it.

I suppose it could be appropriate if one player had the ball wrapped up and the opponent tried to punch it out. I don't think the rules makers want players going in with fists due to the possibility of punching the opponent instead of the ball. It seems more like a safety type of rule...not that much different then the swinging elbows rules.

I've seen it called and have called it myself.

It was obvious both times. That's when you call it.

This is one time I could see calling it. I almost had it once, a long time ago, but she nailed her opponent in the chest instead. In hindsight, I should have gone with an intentional foul instead of a common foul.

Heh heh.

Ewww. :D

Just now getting BNR's joke.

You need to get out more. :D

Peace

...which is why I was reluctant to start this thread in the first place!

Where do YOU go when you go out? :eek:

That would be a broad answer, but I go places or around people that know would get that joke pretty fast. :D

Peace